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Yet Trump was holding a rainbow flag at his rally: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/ http://www.washing

by rdtsc 10y ago

Yet Trump was holding a rainbow flag at his rally: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-... and then got a lot of flak for it in Utah in christian newspapers and media for it. Maybe he'll keep Pence in check, who knows... Hillary being extremely "pro-LGBT" is also taken too much for granted. In one instance Hillary's crowd during the nightclub shooting was perceived to have thrown the gay community under the bus when they suppressed the news about it, because it might have had an "Islamic terrorist" component to it, so it would have hurt her slightly in her rhetoric. Many people have not forgot that. People noticed she took large donations from the Saudis and Qatar and other places like that. I know a some women who voted for him, certainly noticed that part. EDIT (another thing I thought of): During the process I was really fascinated with the media, new forms of media, popular media, etc. As part of that I was looking at how news spread on Reddit among Hillary and Trump supporters. One thing that was unexpected is that Trump's supporters included people from all walks of life: young, old, gays, transgender, Hispanic, Black, other minorities and they all were rather civil and respectful, they got along, all having fun with their frog mascot and whatnot. On the Hillary's side, there was a lot of hatred, condescension, as soon as someone mentioned anything critical about her, immediate downvotes and labels like "sexist" thrown around. It looked rather unhealthy. That militant attitude might come from the right place, but I can't imagine it being healthy, and I wonder if it cost her the election.

denzil_correa 10y ago
> As part of that I was looking at how news spread on Reddit among Hillary and Trump supporters. One thing that was unexpected is that Trump's supporters included people from all walks of life: young, old, gays, transgender, Hispanic, Black, other minorities and they all were rather civil and respectful, they got along, all having fun with their frog mascot and whatnot. You found Trump supporters on Reddit to be civil and respectful?!
- rdtsc 10y ago
  > You found Trump supporters on Reddit to be civil and respectful?! I should have qualified it with "more than I expected". I just expected a lot worse, and at the same time expected a lot more from Hillary's crowd. Also I meant they got along with each other and I didn't see the expected "gay bashing" or racial slurs and so on. Those are things someone coming from the left and liberal side might assume. Especially since there is anonymity online, there is absolutely no reason for them to hold those things back. As for Hillary's side, it was sad to see how using that same anonymity, the ugly, intolerant, condescending and frankly childish behavior showing.
  - denzil_correa 10y ago
    > I should have qualified it with "more than I expected" That does not say much. If your expectation of Clinton supporters being civil and respectful is higher than that of Trump's, it is quite natural that you'd be "surprised". You need to have the same yardstick for both camps. All said and done, it is one matter being condescending and totally another manner to promote hate.
    - rdtsc 10y ago
      > All said and done, it is one matter being condescending and totally another manner to promote hate. That's a fair point, agree with that.
- berberous 10y ago
  I read a lot of r/the_Donald, as I like to not confine myself to echo chambers. They are often young and immature, and can be disrespectful to Clinton supporters generally, but in the most upvoted thread yesterday there was a comment chain near the top talking about gay rights, all of it very pro-gay rights and respectful.
  - denzil_correa 10y ago
    Yesterday has been very different all across Reddit, not just on r/the_Donald I have seen vicious racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny on different subs during the election. The kind of comments that came through and words used were not even comparable to the other side.
rayiner 10y ago
> Hillary being extremely "pro-LGBT" Hilary did not get behind gay marriage until 2013: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/.... Fricking Rudy Giuliani is a better icon for gay rights. Guiliani and Clinton came out in support of gay marriage about the same time (2013 and 2015, both before Obergefell), but Clinton did so to stay relevant with per party and Guiliani did so against the mainstream of his party.

by rdtsc 10y ago

denzil_correa 10y ago

> As part of that I was looking at how news spread on Reddit among Hillary and Trump supporters. One thing that was unexpected is that Trump's supporters included people from all walks of life: young, old, gays, transgender, Hispanic, Black, other minorities and they all were rather civil and respectful, they got along, all having fun with their frog mascot and whatnot. You found Trump supporters on Reddit to be civil and respectful?!

rdtsc 10y ago
> You found Trump supporters on Reddit to be civil and respectful?! I should have qualified it with "more than I expected". I just expected a lot worse, and at the same time expected a lot more from Hillary's crowd. Also I meant they got along with each other and I didn't see the expected "gay bashing" or racial slurs and so on. Those are things someone coming from the left and liberal side might assume. Especially since there is anonymity online, there is absolutely no reason for them to hold those things back. As for Hillary's side, it was sad to see how using that same anonymity, the ugly, intolerant, condescending and frankly childish behavior showing.
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  > I should have qualified it with "more than I expected" That does not say much. If your expectation of Clinton supporters being civil and respectful is higher than that of Trump's, it is quite natural that you'd be "surprised". You need to have the same yardstick for both camps. All said and done, it is one matter being condescending and totally another manner to promote hate.
  - rdtsc 10y ago
    > All said and done, it is one matter being condescending and totally another manner to promote hate. That's a fair point, agree with that.
berberous 10y ago
I read a lot of r/the_Donald, as I like to not confine myself to echo chambers. They are often young and immature, and can be disrespectful to Clinton supporters generally, but in the most upvoted thread yesterday there was a comment chain near the top talking about gay rights, all of it very pro-gay rights and respectful.
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  Yesterday has been very different all across Reddit, not just on r/the_Donald I have seen vicious racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny on different subs during the election. The kind of comments that came through and words used were not even comparable to the other side.

rayiner 10y ago

> Hillary being extremely "pro-LGBT" Hilary did not get behind gay marriage until 2013: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/.... Fricking Rudy Giuliani is a better icon for gay rights. Guiliani and Clinton came out in support of gay marriage about the same time (2013 and 2015, both before Obergefell), but Clinton did so to stay relevant with per party and Guiliani did so against the mainstream of his party.