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"inclusion" is one of the feel-good words which does not mean anything in real-life. Since this word is mostly used by liberals, I would start with the protecte

"inclusion" is one of the feel-good words which does not mean anything in real-life. Since this word is mostly used by liberals, I would start with the protected classes, e.g., homosexuals, religious minorities. How do you include religious Muslims and homosexuals in the same group? Homosexuals are regularly being prosecuted in Muslim-majority countries. Many Muslims (devout or not) are outright hostile to homosexuals. Do you include religious Muslims or homosexuals? Please let me know if you know a concrete solution of this problem, I'm eager to hear that.

zimpenfish 10y ago
Since "same group" in this instance is "The society of The United States", it's quite easy. We manage it in the UK without everything collapsing (thus far.) If it helps, you can take "inclusion" to mean "has the same rights" - ie. Muslims, LGBTQ, women, etc. all have the same rights.
- jules 10y ago
  It is interesting that you cite the UK as an example, because the US seems to be doing much better than the UK in this regard. Polls show that 100% of UK Muslims find homosexuality an unacceptable lifestyle choice, and more than half want homosexuality made illegal. Not gay marriage, homosexuality. Being inclusive and tolerant of intolerance works up to the point when the intolerant group is large enough to wield political power. > We manage it in the UK without everything collapsing (thus far.) This may turn out to be awfully prescient.
  - zimpenfish 10y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-musl... has the 52% wanting it illegal but nothing about the 100% against lifestyle choice. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-f... has the "100% against" figure but is from 2009 and not entirely relevant at this point. Either way, they're both included into UK society.
noobiemcfoob 10y ago
Overall, I agree with you. All too often diversity and inclusion are sought as an end as opposed to the means. Many situations can benefit dramatically from these as strengths. Many others can be crippled just as well. However, when it comes to government, you don't have the option to be anything but inclusive. Anything less leads to unrest and ultimately revolt as the silent oppressed find escape valves. This election cycle is proof that true inclusion is paramount. Not the Politically Correct inclusion Democrats are so fond of, but true inclusion, true representation.
rayiner 10y ago
> How do you include religious Muslims and homosexuals in the same group As someone who grew up in northern Virginia I'm really wondering about the answer to that question. Try coming out as homosexual in one of the many Democrat-voting Asian and Middle Eastern households around here. Try saying you're going to marry a black man or woman. Try mentioning (as a brown person) that your wife is a white American and see how many comments you can get about why it is better to marry a girl from your own country.

zimpenfish 10y ago

Since "same group" in this instance is "The society of The United States", it's quite easy. We manage it in the UK without everything collapsing (thus far.) If it helps, you can take "inclusion" to mean "has the same rights" - ie. Muslims, LGBTQ, women, etc. all have the same rights.

jules 10y ago
It is interesting that you cite the UK as an example, because the US seems to be doing much better than the UK in this regard. Polls show that 100% of UK Muslims find homosexuality an unacceptable lifestyle choice, and more than half want homosexuality made illegal. Not gay marriage, homosexuality. Being inclusive and tolerant of intolerance works up to the point when the intolerant group is large enough to wield political power. > We manage it in the UK without everything collapsing (thus far.) This may turn out to be awfully prescient.
- zimpenfish 10y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-musl... has the 52% wanting it illegal but nothing about the 100% against lifestyle choice. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-f... has the "100% against" figure but is from 2009 and not entirely relevant at this point. Either way, they're both included into UK society.

noobiemcfoob 10y ago

Overall, I agree with you. All too often diversity and inclusion are sought as an end as opposed to the means. Many situations can benefit dramatically from these as strengths. Many others can be crippled just as well. However, when it comes to government, you don't have the option to be anything but inclusive. Anything less leads to unrest and ultimately revolt as the silent oppressed find escape valves. This election cycle is proof that true inclusion is paramount. Not the Politically Correct inclusion Democrats are so fond of, but true inclusion, true representation.

rayiner 10y ago

> How do you include religious Muslims and homosexuals in the same group As someone who grew up in northern Virginia I'm really wondering about the answer to that question. Try coming out as homosexual in one of the many Democrat-voting Asian and Middle Eastern households around here. Try saying you're going to marry a black man or woman. Try mentioning (as a brown person) that your wife is a white American and see how many comments you can get about why it is better to marry a girl from your own country.