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> Why is it that when poor minorities vote for their economic well-being it is seen as progress but when poor white people do it it's seen as racism? I don't h

by gdulli 10y ago

> Why is it that when poor minorities vote for their economic well-being it is seen as progress but when poor white people do it it's seen as racism? I don't have a problem with voting for or against a trade deal based on self-interest or interest in maximizing benefit for one's country. Dehumanizing people with a different skin color who are already citizens of your country (Gonzalo Curiel, Humayun Khan) and cultivating racism and xenophobia to win power is unconscionable. > Bill Clinton I'd like to think that if he had faced election after the Monica Lewinsky incident, he would have lost.

aaron-lebo 10y ago
As opposed to demonizing people for "clinging to their guns and religion" or calling people "deplorable"? It's the same thing. Both sides are engaging in this bigotry. You can't write off almost 50% of the electorate (Romney's 47% statement in 2012 and Clinton's deplorables comment) and expect anything but extremes. Both sides are doing it.
- gdulli 10y ago
  I'm sure people didn't like being called deplorable. But they weren't called that for no reason. They weren't called that because they were simply supporting a Republican. They weren't called that for supporting Romney or McCain. Trump is a cancer of a person and supporting a man and the policies of a man who's openly transitioning our election system to one based on lies and racist demagoguery is simply, demonstrably deplorable. Relative to values like truth and tolerance that that we should share/ostensibly share. Of course it was careless of Clinton to get caught saying it, but the deplorable behavior had to exist before she had a reason to comment on it.
  - hga 10y ago
    I didn't like being called irredeemable as part of her "basket of deplorables" who "are not America". That's calling for my liquidation, a major thing from the cultural Baby Boom she belongs to. And she didn't "get caught saying it", that was part of a prepared speech, and one she only later said she "regretted" saying, not that she was wrong about it. You'll have to forgive me if my response to this is less than completely polite....
    - gdulli 10y ago
      > I didn't like being called irredeemable as part of her "basket of deplorables" who "are not America". Xenophobia, prejudice, and intolerance aren't what Clinton sees as America. If those things are what you see as America, that's your right. In which case there's an irreconcilable gap between you and Clinton and you need to accept that she's going to consider you as standing outside of those values that she has always taken for granted as broadly accepted. Be the thing you want others to see you as, or else accept the consequences of being seen a different way. Don't be surprised or complain about it.
      - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
        >Be the thing you want others to see you as, or else accept the consequences of being seen a different way. Don't be surprised or complain about it. Nazi to the Jews: Be Aryan, or face the consequences.
        hga 10y ago
        Indeed, except, of course, the word "irredeemable" signals that it was just as impossible for them as it is for us.
    - ashark 10y ago
      To be fair, she was saying that to acknowledge to her supporters that yes, many Trump supporters are irredeemable as a preface to saying that many others are redeemable and do have real concerns that Democrats ought to try to address, or try to communicate the ways that they already try to address them better. I don't think there was anything wrong with that part of that speech per se, though in the context of a political campaign it was absolutely a dumb thing to say, even though the sentiment was both accurate and aimed at encouraging reaching out to the other side. Someone should have known what kind of sound-bite that section of the speech was going to be cut down to and heavily reworded it so that wouldn't happen.
      - hga 10y ago

by gdulli 10y ago

aaron-lebo 10y ago

As opposed to demonizing people for "clinging to their guns and religion" or calling people "deplorable"? It's the same thing. Both sides are engaging in this bigotry. You can't write off almost 50% of the electorate (Romney's 47% statement in 2012 and Clinton's deplorables comment) and expect anything but extremes. Both sides are doing it.

gdulli 10y ago
I'm sure people didn't like being called deplorable. But they weren't called that for no reason. They weren't called that because they were simply supporting a Republican. They weren't called that for supporting Romney or McCain. Trump is a cancer of a person and supporting a man and the policies of a man who's openly transitioning our election system to one based on lies and racist demagoguery is simply, demonstrably deplorable. Relative to values like truth and tolerance that that we should share/ostensibly share. Of course it was careless of Clinton to get caught saying it, but the deplorable behavior had to exist before she had a reason to comment on it.
- hga 10y ago
  I didn't like being called irredeemable as part of her "basket of deplorables" who "are not America". That's calling for my liquidation, a major thing from the cultural Baby Boom she belongs to. And she didn't "get caught saying it", that was part of a prepared speech, and one she only later said she "regretted" saying, not that she was wrong about it. You'll have to forgive me if my response to this is less than completely polite....
  - gdulli 10y ago
    > I didn't like being called irredeemable as part of her "basket of deplorables" who "are not America". Xenophobia, prejudice, and intolerance aren't what Clinton sees as America. If those things are what you see as America, that's your right. In which case there's an irreconcilable gap between you and Clinton and you need to accept that she's going to consider you as standing outside of those values that she has always taken for granted as broadly accepted. Be the thing you want others to see you as, or else accept the consequences of being seen a different way. Don't be surprised or complain about it.
    - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
      >Be the thing you want others to see you as, or else accept the consequences of being seen a different way. Don't be surprised or complain about it. Nazi to the Jews: Be Aryan, or face the consequences.
      - hga 10y ago
        Indeed, except, of course, the word "irredeemable" signals that it was just as impossible for them as it is for us.
  - ashark 10y ago
    To be fair, she was saying that to acknowledge to her supporters that yes, many Trump supporters are irredeemable as a preface to saying that many others are redeemable and do have real concerns that Democrats ought to try to address, or try to communicate the ways that they already try to address them better. I don't think there was anything wrong with that part of that speech per se, though in the context of a political campaign it was absolutely a dumb thing to say, even though the sentiment was both accurate and aimed at encouraging reaching out to the other side. Someone should have known what kind of sound-bite that section of the speech was going to be cut down to and heavily reworded it so that wouldn't happen.
    - hga 10y ago