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I'd very much appreciate a few representative examples of sloppy journalism from either the LA or NY Times. Can you recommend a couple?

treehau5 10y ago
How about every article written about the candidates or election by the Hillary Shills noted in the Podesta emails? Wait, I guess that wasn't journalism in the first place, it was propaganda.
Inconel 10y ago
I don't mean to evade your request but I'm typing this on my phone while on a break at work so I don't have specific articles I can link to at the moment. Off the top of my head I can give you some general topics I have found lacking in detail and nuance. The LA Times specifically has done a poor job imo on accurately representing some of the opposition to high density developments here in LA. They also ran this piece [1] on Elon Musk's empire of subsidies which I thought was lacking in context. Disclaimer: I work at SpaceX so I'm obviously biased. There can certainly be criticism of subsidies given to Tesla/SpaceX, but when an article such as this makes no mention of the auto bailouts, or the similar subsidies given to the defense and oil industry I don't find it particularly balanced. I've also found much of the NY Times reporting on Snowden to push a very national security establishment agenda. My apologies for not being able to give more concrete examples at this time, I hope you understand my statement was made in good faith. [1] www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story,amp.html
75j 10y ago
Look up just about anything NYT has written about US wars in the past 15 years. Up until very recently, NYT even had an editorial policy against using the word "torture" in reference to any act committed by the US government / military. Not too mention that Maggie Haberman and Mark Liebovich (and probably a few others too that I'm not aware of) can be found in the Podesta emails sending over their articles to the Clinton campaign for review, prior to publication.
- mtbcoder 10y ago
  > Not too mention that Maggie Haberman and Mark Liebovich (and probably a few others too that I'm not aware of) can be found in the Podesta emails sending over their articles to the Clinton campaign for review, prior to publication. Can you reference the source for this? I ask because much of what I've seen between what WikiLeaks tweets and what's actually contained within the email messages is severely taken out of context. (e.g. not understanding what news embargos are [1]) The New York Times were also the ones who originally broke the story of the private email server. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo
  - throwaway98764 10y ago
    Cryptographically verified, by the way: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213
    - mtbcoder 10y ago
      Thank you, here is also the response by Leibovich: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-media-conspiracy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-medi...
  - 75j 10y ago
    One example from Leibovich: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 And one of Haberman's stories being sent to Podesta: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51561 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51561 Here's a Clinton campaign strategy document that mentions Haberman and how she has "teed up many stories for us before and [we] have never been disappointed": https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3125945-Story-Memo.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3125945-Story-Memo.h... Doing an advanced search on Wikileaks filtering by "nytdirect@nytimes.com" in the sender field, you'll see that the first drafts of nearly 50 different articles were sent to John Podesta: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=&mfrom=nytdirect%40nytimes.com&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=&mfrom=nytdirect%40n...

treehau5 10y ago

How about every article written about the candidates or election by the Hillary Shills noted in the Podesta emails? Wait, I guess that wasn't journalism in the first place, it was propaganda.

Inconel 10y ago

I don't mean to evade your request but I'm typing this on my phone while on a break at work so I don't have specific articles I can link to at the moment. Off the top of my head I can give you some general topics I have found lacking in detail and nuance. The LA Times specifically has done a poor job imo on accurately representing some of the opposition to high density developments here in LA. They also ran this piece [1] on Elon Musk's empire of subsidies which I thought was lacking in context. Disclaimer: I work at SpaceX so I'm obviously biased. There can certainly be criticism of subsidies given to Tesla/SpaceX, but when an article such as this makes no mention of the auto bailouts, or the similar subsidies given to the defense and oil industry I don't find it particularly balanced. I've also found much of the NY Times reporting on Snowden to push a very national security establishment agenda. My apologies for not being able to give more concrete examples at this time, I hope you understand my statement was made in good faith. [1] www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story,amp.html

75j 10y ago

Look up just about anything NYT has written about US wars in the past 15 years. Up until very recently, NYT even had an editorial policy against using the word "torture" in reference to any act committed by the US government / military. Not too mention that Maggie Haberman and Mark Liebovich (and probably a few others too that I'm not aware of) can be found in the Podesta emails sending over their articles to the Clinton campaign for review, prior to publication.

mtbcoder 10y ago
> Not too mention that Maggie Haberman and Mark Liebovich (and probably a few others too that I'm not aware of) can be found in the Podesta emails sending over their articles to the Clinton campaign for review, prior to publication. Can you reference the source for this? I ask because much of what I've seen between what WikiLeaks tweets and what's actually contained within the email messages is severely taken out of context. (e.g. not understanding what news embargos are [1]) The New York Times were also the ones who originally broke the story of the private email server. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo
- throwaway98764 10y ago
  Cryptographically verified, by the way: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213
  - mtbcoder 10y ago
    Thank you, here is also the response by Leibovich: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-media-conspiracy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-medi...
- 75j 10y ago
  One example from Leibovich: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213 And one of Haberman's stories being sent to Podesta: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51561 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51561 Here's a Clinton campaign strategy document that mentions Haberman and how she has "teed up many stories for us before and [we] have never been disappointed": https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3125945-Story-Memo.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3125945-Story-Memo.h... Doing an advanced search on Wikileaks filtering by "nytdirect@nytimes.com" in the sender field, you'll see that the first drafts of nearly 50 different articles were sent to John Podesta: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=&mfrom=nytdirect%40nytimes.com&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=&mfrom=nytdirect%40n...