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Hillary was definitely an incredibly weak and flawed candidate. I'm of the opinion that Sanders would've walloped Trump. But I do have some input regarding the

Hillary was definitely an incredibly weak and flawed candidate. I'm of the opinion that Sanders would've walloped Trump. But I do have some input regarding the racial dimension of things... >I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and racism. I see a campaign that ran on hate and anger for the 'other'. A campaign that white nationalists have called a blessing. A candidate endorsed by the KKK. A candidate that tweeted out a picture of Hillary Clinton with a Star of David affixed to her. Trump relied upon a lot of economic anxiety as well but much of that was codified in racial terms: that Obama was serving the interests of black folks more, that white people were being marginalized in the culture, that brown rapists are coming for their jobs and their daughters. How can a vote for Trump not be seen as sexist, racist, and xenophobic? I'm sick of this shit saying we need to understand the other side and find out why they are so angry. I think it's pretty clear why Trump supporters are so angry. I've been to Trump rallies, I've talked to supporters, and you know what most of it comes down to? They want 'their' America back. They say they want to end corruption and take down the political establishment, but they voted for a candidate who is stacking the whitehouse with slimeball careerists like Pence, Gingrich, and Christie. But that seems to be okay with them, because it's 'their' side i.e. white revanchists. In a country with such charged racial history as the US, is it really unbelievable that millions have regressive views regarding race? Look at how awful Obama is treated by some of these people - that he's a muslim, he secretly hates America and funds ISIS. And even if the voters themselves aren't racist, they are complicit in voting for a man who undoubtedly is. Where does that leave them?

ilolu 10y ago
But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling them, you are basically discriminating them and pushing them further away.
- yolesaber 10y ago
  I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be said about that? Again, if these voters are so disenchanted with the establishment, why did they reelect so many incumbent senators and representatives? Why did they vote for a guy who is stacking his WH with careerists? To be honest, I think this whole 'disenchanted with the establishment' narrative is missing the focus on the establishment it seems they really hate - the establishment of the first black president. From whether it's saying things like "Oh Tim is so well spoken, not like his other black friends" or viewing any black male as a potential criminal, Americans, as a whole, are incredibly racist even if they don't "mean" to be. Trump's election is proof of that. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-ra...
  - Omnius 10y ago
    Trump's election != racist america. I voted Johnson because i couldn't stomach voting for trump and there was no way i was going to vote for Hillary. The Dems could have run literally ANYONE other then her and they would have had an easy win. Same goes for the Rep's they could have run anyone (well maybe not cruz) other than Trump and had an easy win against Hillary. Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it. This election the majority of voters on both sides voted against the other candidate verse for their candidate.
    - yolesaber 10y ago
      >Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it. But they still did it. They still voted for an outspoken racist and sexist. They voted for a man who wants to register every Muslim in a database. What does that say about them?

ilolu 10y ago

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling them, you are basically discriminating them and pushing them further away.

yolesaber 10y ago
I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be said about that? Again, if these voters are so disenchanted with the establishment, why did they reelect so many incumbent senators and representatives? Why did they vote for a guy who is stacking his WH with careerists? To be honest, I think this whole 'disenchanted with the establishment' narrative is missing the focus on the establishment it seems they really hate - the establishment of the first black president. From whether it's saying things like "Oh Tim is so well spoken, not like his other black friends" or viewing any black male as a potential criminal, Americans, as a whole, are incredibly racist even if they don't "mean" to be. Trump's election is proof of that. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-ra...
- Omnius 10y ago
  Trump's election != racist america. I voted Johnson because i couldn't stomach voting for trump and there was no way i was going to vote for Hillary. The Dems could have run literally ANYONE other then her and they would have had an easy win. Same goes for the Rep's they could have run anyone (well maybe not cruz) other than Trump and had an easy win against Hillary. Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it. This election the majority of voters on both sides voted against the other candidate verse for their candidate.
  - yolesaber 10y ago
    >Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it. But they still did it. They still voted for an outspoken racist and sexist. They voted for a man who wants to register every Muslim in a database. What does that say about them?