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Dutch citizen here, this is bullshit. Neighbourhood watches using WhatsApp has nothing to do with a lack of police force, it's simply an "add-on" so neighbours

Dutch citizen here, this is bullshit. Neighbourhood watches using WhatsApp has nothing to do with a lack of police force, it's simply an "add-on" so neighbours can report suspicious behaviour to others. > Within ten years these groups will probably grow into armed and organised right-wing groups. You miss the part where we have very strict gun ownership rules, and very few have guns. > Thanks for the down votes without knowing the facts. You are being downvoted because what you provide aren't facts. You linked to a news article about neighbourhood watches, an article about a group of extremists/xenophobes, and an article about Dutch vs German law. None of this proves that The Netherlands is the a "dangerous" country where citizens take matters into their own hands, etc.

dep_b 10y ago
> Neighbourhood watches using WhatsApp has nothing to do with a lack of police force, True, Germany has about the same amount of police force per capita. It's just spent better. > it's simply an "add-on" so neighbours can report suspicious behaviour to others. Why this worries me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin > None of this proves that The Netherlands is the a "dangerous" country It's also never implied by me. > where citizens take matters into their own hands They just need to police themselves a bit where the government fails, right?
- ryanlol 10y ago
  >Why this worries me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin What's worrying about that? The neighbourhood watchman was violently attacked and successfully defended himself. That particular incident seems to demonstrate that the neighbourhood watch existed for a reason.
  - sqeaky 10y ago
    That case is extremely cloudy. There is no way to know what actually happened. But witnesses range from unreasonably in favor of the shooter: "Trayvon was reaching for a gun after be loud and beligerent and was shot in clear self defense", all the way to unreasonably in favor of the shot: "Trayvon was shot in cold blood and broad daylight by a bigot and a the shooter was let free because of institutional racism". To claim you know what happened is extremely showing of your lack of understanding of the situation or of your implicit bias.

dep_b 10y ago

> Neighbourhood watches using WhatsApp has nothing to do with a lack of police force, True, Germany has about the same amount of police force per capita. It's just spent better. > it's simply an "add-on" so neighbours can report suspicious behaviour to others. Why this worries me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin > None of this proves that The Netherlands is the a "dangerous" country It's also never implied by me. > where citizens take matters into their own hands They just need to police themselves a bit where the government fails, right?

ryanlol 10y ago
>Why this worries me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin What's worrying about that? The neighbourhood watchman was violently attacked and successfully defended himself. That particular incident seems to demonstrate that the neighbourhood watch existed for a reason.
- sqeaky 10y ago
  That case is extremely cloudy. There is no way to know what actually happened. But witnesses range from unreasonably in favor of the shooter: "Trayvon was reaching for a gun after be loud and beligerent and was shot in clear self defense", all the way to unreasonably in favor of the shot: "Trayvon was shot in cold blood and broad daylight by a bigot and a the shooter was let free because of institutional racism". To claim you know what happened is extremely showing of your lack of understanding of the situation or of your implicit bias.