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No? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US is now run by a guy who thinks the EU sucks, that Brexit was great, and whose best buddy in Europe is Nigel Farage. An
by zigzigzag 10y ago
No?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US is now run by a guy who thinks the EU sucks, that Brexit was great, and whose best buddy in Europe is Nigel Farage.
And is it not the case that the most popular politicians in other core countries are all anti-EU?
Let's see how this plays out.
- foldr 10y agoAh I see, so their plan was for Trump to win the presidency and for the entire EU to collapse before we make a deal. Sure, let's see how that plays out. Third time lucky?
- zigzigzag 10y ago"Let's get out before the EU implodes" was actually a campaigning point, though not one that affected my own decision much. I would be surprised if the EU collapses. But then again, almost everyone was taken by surprise when the USSR disintegrated, and the conventional wisdom was that neither Brexit nor Trump could happen. So we'll see. Suffice it to say that there are structural weaknesses there. Regardless, sometimes you have to leave a social group if that group is becoming self-destructive, even if it hurts in the short run.
- foldr 10y agoRight, so we are going to have to negotiate while the EU is still in tact. What's the plan for how we do that? What reason does the EU have to give us a good deal?
- zigzigzag 10y agoWell, I'd say "because it'd be what's best for people in EU countries" but I don't honestly believe the EU cares about that, beyond perhaps avoiding mass expulsions on both sides. So far they seem more interested in securing payments into their pensions. So my view is that they have no incentive to give the UK a good deal. This does not imply the UK should have remained. They have no incentive because they aren't accountable to the people, except via very indirect and essentially broken ways, and besides lots of Europeans buy the argument that they must suffer to preserve the union.
- foldr 10y ago>So my view is that they have no incentive to give the UK a good deal. Right. >This does not imply the UK should have remained It probably implies that we shouldn't have thrown a temper tantrum without having a strategy.