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The Dutch have a similar approach albeit at a bit older age. During my last visit to the US I was really astonished when my colleague told me he was driving his

The Dutch have a similar approach albeit at a bit older age. During my last visit to the US I was really astonished when my colleague told me he was driving his kids (12-15 years old) everywhere anytime and that this was common. One of the best moments of my childhood were those in which you could stroll around the city in full freedom. I still don't fully get the protective attitude of US parenting. I wonder if it has to do with crime stats being higher.

artpepper 10y ago
But in many American suburbs, car is the only feasible way to get somewhere. So unless the 12-year-olds are driving, it's got to be the parents.
- Symbiote 10y ago
  Not bicycles? Children riding bikes round their neighbourhood is a common sight in American films/TV, the most obvious example is Bart and Lisa Simpson.
  - artpepper 10y ago
    I think it depends a lot where you live, and whether it's urban, suburban, or rural. My kid could definitely bike to school when she gets older. But to get to, say, her gymnastics class, it's 8 miles through heavy traffic with only occasional bike lanes. (In the dark in the rain, at this time of year.)
    - Scarblac 10y ago
      Kids in rural areas of the Netherlands do bike 8 miles to school, but to do that only for a gym class is probably too much.
      - raarts 10y ago
        And the traffic situation is much more tailored towards bikes compared to most other countries.
- Pietertje 10y ago
  True, the suburbs explain some of it. However, I've been told it would be a big no-no to let your 8 year old play in the park a few blocks away without supervision. Parents who do so are apparently considered irresponsible. Do note my source is only a single colleague from CA, could of course be an exception..
mysterypie 10y ago
> I wonder if it has to do with crime stats being higher. Yes, crime is higher in the US than in the Netherlands, but that cannot be the explanation. Because crime is the US is much lower than it was three decades ago when children did walk to school.
- nibnib 10y ago
  There could be some lag involved. The children of 3 decades ago are now having their own children and are deciding their freedoms. I think crime was lower in the US 6 decades ago than 3, so each generation may be reacting slowly to a perceived level of danger.
  - eitally 10y ago
    I think one of the issues now is that there are many more homes with two working parents. It was one thing 30 years ago to let your kids walk to school, wander around the neighborhood, or whatever, if a parent was at home. But without that safety net, I can see why it's a psychologically challenging attitude for parents. (besides the whole media focus on crime exacerbating things). (I was born in 1977 and walked or rode my bike to school until 4th grade, when I switched schools. I also had a mom who's rule was "go outside and play. come in for dinner when the street lights turn on." I think this was common across the US until the '90s, especially outside of major metros.
- Pietertje 10y ago
  Do you think the perception of crime/safety might be an explanation? The difference with three decades ago is the ease of information distribution with social media/internet. Most likely also media coverage has shifted more to crime reporting. If I'm not mistaken Levitt describes this perception of crime in his book, Freakonomics, as well.

artpepper 10y ago

But in many American suburbs, car is the only feasible way to get somewhere. So unless the 12-year-olds are driving, it's got to be the parents.

Symbiote 10y ago
Not bicycles? Children riding bikes round their neighbourhood is a common sight in American films/TV, the most obvious example is Bart and Lisa Simpson.
- artpepper 10y ago
  I think it depends a lot where you live, and whether it's urban, suburban, or rural. My kid could definitely bike to school when she gets older. But to get to, say, her gymnastics class, it's 8 miles through heavy traffic with only occasional bike lanes. (In the dark in the rain, at this time of year.)
  - Scarblac 10y ago
    Kids in rural areas of the Netherlands do bike 8 miles to school, but to do that only for a gym class is probably too much.
    - raarts 10y ago
      And the traffic situation is much more tailored towards bikes compared to most other countries.
Pietertje 10y ago
True, the suburbs explain some of it. However, I've been told it would be a big no-no to let your 8 year old play in the park a few blocks away without supervision. Parents who do so are apparently considered irresponsible. Do note my source is only a single colleague from CA, could of course be an exception..

mysterypie 10y ago

> I wonder if it has to do with crime stats being higher. Yes, crime is higher in the US than in the Netherlands, but that cannot be the explanation. Because crime is the US is much lower than it was three decades ago when children did walk to school.

nibnib 10y ago
There could be some lag involved. The children of 3 decades ago are now having their own children and are deciding their freedoms. I think crime was lower in the US 6 decades ago than 3, so each generation may be reacting slowly to a perceived level of danger.
- eitally 10y ago
  I think one of the issues now is that there are many more homes with two working parents. It was one thing 30 years ago to let your kids walk to school, wander around the neighborhood, or whatever, if a parent was at home. But without that safety net, I can see why it's a psychologically challenging attitude for parents. (besides the whole media focus on crime exacerbating things). (I was born in 1977 and walked or rode my bike to school until 4th grade, when I switched schools. I also had a mom who's rule was "go outside and play. come in for dinner when the street lights turn on." I think this was common across the US until the '90s, especially outside of major metros.
Pietertje 10y ago
Do you think the perception of crime/safety might be an explanation? The difference with three decades ago is the ease of information distribution with social media/internet. Most likely also media coverage has shifted more to crime reporting. If I'm not mistaken Levitt describes this perception of crime in his book, Freakonomics, as well.