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I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say. There are no examples of 350 million people being governed WITHOUT a government

by exergy 10y ago

I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say. There are no examples of 350 million people being governed WITHOUT a government, and for good reasons.

mindcrime 10y ago
There are no examples of... There never is, until the first time. If nobody tried to do things that haven't been done before, there would be no progress. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." ~~ George Bernard Shaw I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say. Please don't do that, this is HN, not Reddit.
- kefka 10y ago
  You're thinking of Greg Egan's idea of "Stateless", the illegal biotech'ed island. In that story, the technology and the island defends egalitarian principles and organized 'no-ruler-ship' (anarchy). I certainly think anarchy could work, if the underlying technological stuffs were the enforcers of equality. *The book is called "Distress", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(novel)
- jjnoakes 10y ago
  > this is HN, not Reddit. Please don't do that. There's no need to smear other sites. Ending the sentence at "Please don't do that." should suffice.
- exergy 10y ago
  It has nothing to do with reddit, and everything to do with rose-tinted glasses, since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration. Words in a book and italicised quotes are great, but not how the world functions unfortunately. For ezanple, I'd introduce a worldwide carbon tax tomorrow and make preventing further climate change priority number one at the expense of just about everything else. One of my favorite environmental scientists, stephen schneider always used to say that we should never let the perfect get in the way of the good. As much as we'd like to believe otherwise, virtually ALL progress is incremental. Technological AND societal.
  - mindcrime 10y ago
    since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration I'm sorry, why should I feel obligated to give you an example? Like I already said once, there are no examples of something that hasn't been done... yet. So your repeated request for something that isn't required strikes me as kinda pointless.

by exergy 10y ago

I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say. There are no examples of 350 million people being governed WITHOUT a government, and for good reasons.

mindcrime 10y ago

There are no examples of... There never is, until the first time. If nobody tried to do things that haven't been done before, there would be no progress. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." ~~ George Bernard Shaw I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say. Please don't do that, this is HN, not Reddit.

kefka 10y ago
You're thinking of Greg Egan's idea of "Stateless", the illegal biotech'ed island. In that story, the technology and the island defends egalitarian principles and organized 'no-ruler-ship' (anarchy). I certainly think anarchy could work, if the underlying technological stuffs were the enforcers of equality. *The book is called "Distress", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(novel)
jjnoakes 10y ago
> this is HN, not Reddit. Please don't do that. There's no need to smear other sites. Ending the sentence at "Please don't do that." should suffice.
exergy 10y ago
It has nothing to do with reddit, and everything to do with rose-tinted glasses, since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration. Words in a book and italicised quotes are great, but not how the world functions unfortunately. For ezanple, I'd introduce a worldwide carbon tax tomorrow and make preventing further climate change priority number one at the expense of just about everything else. One of my favorite environmental scientists, stephen schneider always used to say that we should never let the perfect get in the way of the good. As much as we'd like to believe otherwise, virtually ALL progress is incremental. Technological AND societal.
- mindcrime 10y ago
  since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration I'm sorry, why should I feel obligated to give you an example? Like I already said once, there are no examples of something that hasn't been done... yet. So your repeated request for something that isn't required strikes me as kinda pointless.