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> "I am interested in roles paying above my current salary of $xxx,xxx only, and am looking for an improvement on that to reflect my increased experience and th

by MAGZine 10y ago

> "I am interested in roles paying above my current salary of $xxx,xxx only, and am looking for an improvement on that to reflect my increased experience and the risk of moving roles" Are you really advocating that people disclose their salary to a recruiter, voluntarily? What terrible advice. "How to immediately throw away your best bargaining chip 101".

peteretep 10y ago
> Are you really advocating that people disclose their > salary to a recruiter Yes > What terrible advice No > "How to immediately throw away your best bargaining > chip 101" If they're an internal recruiter, they have a banding you can be paid in, and they don't really care where you fall in it. Decisions above that salary banding will need to be referred to the person whose budget you are. If they're an external recruiter, they have no control at all and are incentivized to get you paid as much as they can, as they're paid on commission.
- quickben 10y ago
  And if they are an actual external company and not external recruiter?
  - peteretep 10y ago
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but are you sure you don't mean an internal recruiter?
- greglindahl 10y ago
  External recruiters get paid more for getting more candidates hired with the least effort per candidate -- they are not interested in spending a lot of time getting 10% more salary for a candidate, instead of getting another hire done.
  - peteretep 10y ago
    Most external recruiters don't make much more than a couple of placements a month, so they are absolutely incentivized to amp their commission up as much as possible without losing the sale. Was this not the case when you were working as a recruiter?
    - greglindahl 10y ago
      As a hiring manager and candidate dealing with external recruiters, that's not what I saw happen.
      - peteretep 10y ago
        How did you get people you didn't hire to share with you their actual salary preferences, and companies that didn't hire you their actual salary ranges? Sounds like that would be super useful info
        koide 10y ago
        This is outside the US, but I just ask at the first call: please give me a range on your expectations to see if it overlaps with ours and that it makes sense to move forward and avoid wasting time. Everyone answers, most giving a number directly and few counterasking for our range for the position, which of course I disclose at that point.
- photogrammetry 10y ago
  Do you mind not using multiline code block quotes that split sentences in half? Not only is it obnoxious to read on mobile, as horizontal scrolling is necessary, but it also fundamentally doesn't make sense as you should be able to copy/paste whole sentences. One might expect that as a recruiter/(ex-?)developer you'd realize how painful it is when you use this formatting.
  - peteretep 10y ago
    Looks much better to me, including on mobile, and is the first complaint in the 2,020 days my account has been active here, whatever "one might expect". Additionally, it will look entirely natural to any of us who used email before it was mostly HTML.
    - photogrammetry 10y ago
      Thanks for the downvote - good to know that you're not interested in improving the UX on HN.
    - ethbro 10y ago
      Which mobile client and do you browse in landscape? I agree with photogrammetry in that it's essentially unreadable on mobile portrait as you have to horizontally scroll each quote you want to read (then scroll back and again if it's multi-line). Shorter >'s with italics are my preference.
majormajor 10y ago
What changes if you drop just a handful of words so it starts "I am interested in roles paying above $xxx,xxx only"? That might be my salary. It might be my floor for moving to a new, more expensive, area. It might be what I think my current salary should be. Depending on how things like bonuses are done, base salary alone isn't super relevant anyway. There's a potentially very big difference between a company that says "we give bonuses of up to 20k per year" and "our bonus target for good performers at this level is 25%." Maybe 9 times out of 10 the recruiter says "sorry, that's not going to happen." But you only want to find the ones who say "we can work with that" anyway. This may not be the best way to absolutely maximize your total, but if you pick the right floor, you can save a lot of time up front. And the way to really maximize your offer isn't to hide your current salary, anyway. It's to take that first offer to another other company you're interviewing with, and see if they can beat it. That's your best bargaining chip.

by MAGZine 10y ago

peteretep 10y ago

> Are you really advocating that people disclose their > salary to a recruiter Yes > What terrible advice No > "How to immediately throw away your best bargaining > chip 101" If they're an internal recruiter, they have a banding you can be paid in, and they don't really care where you fall in it. Decisions above that salary banding will need to be referred to the person whose budget you are. If they're an external recruiter, they have no control at all and are incentivized to get you paid as much as they can, as they're paid on commission.

quickben 10y ago
And if they are an actual external company and not external recruiter?
- peteretep 10y ago
  I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but are you sure you don't mean an internal recruiter?
greglindahl 10y ago
External recruiters get paid more for getting more candidates hired with the least effort per candidate -- they are not interested in spending a lot of time getting 10% more salary for a candidate, instead of getting another hire done.
- peteretep 10y ago
  Most external recruiters don't make much more than a couple of placements a month, so they are absolutely incentivized to amp their commission up as much as possible without losing the sale. Was this not the case when you were working as a recruiter?
  - greglindahl 10y ago
    As a hiring manager and candidate dealing with external recruiters, that's not what I saw happen.
    - peteretep 10y ago
      How did you get people you didn't hire to share with you their actual salary preferences, and companies that didn't hire you their actual salary ranges? Sounds like that would be super useful info
      - koide 10y ago
        This is outside the US, but I just ask at the first call: please give me a range on your expectations to see if it overlaps with ours and that it makes sense to move forward and avoid wasting time. Everyone answers, most giving a number directly and few counterasking for our range for the position, which of course I disclose at that point.
photogrammetry 10y ago
Do you mind not using multiline code block quotes that split sentences in half? Not only is it obnoxious to read on mobile, as horizontal scrolling is necessary, but it also fundamentally doesn't make sense as you should be able to copy/paste whole sentences. One might expect that as a recruiter/(ex-?)developer you'd realize how painful it is when you use this formatting.
- peteretep 10y ago
  Looks much better to me, including on mobile, and is the first complaint in the 2,020 days my account has been active here, whatever "one might expect". Additionally, it will look entirely natural to any of us who used email before it was mostly HTML.
  - photogrammetry 10y ago
    Thanks for the downvote - good to know that you're not interested in improving the UX on HN.
  - ethbro 10y ago
    Which mobile client and do you browse in landscape? I agree with photogrammetry in that it's essentially unreadable on mobile portrait as you have to horizontally scroll each quote you want to read (then scroll back and again if it's multi-line). Shorter >'s with italics are my preference.

majormajor 10y ago

What changes if you drop just a handful of words so it starts "I am interested in roles paying above $xxx,xxx only"? That might be my salary. It might be my floor for moving to a new, more expensive, area. It might be what I think my current salary should be. Depending on how things like bonuses are done, base salary alone isn't super relevant anyway. There's a potentially very big difference between a company that says "we give bonuses of up to 20k per year" and "our bonus target for good performers at this level is 25%." Maybe 9 times out of 10 the recruiter says "sorry, that's not going to happen." But you only want to find the ones who say "we can work with that" anyway. This may not be the best way to absolutely maximize your total, but if you pick the right floor, you can save a lot of time up front. And the way to really maximize your offer isn't to hide your current salary, anyway. It's to take that first offer to another other company you're interviewing with, and see if they can beat it. That's your best bargaining chip.