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The problem with this argument as stated is that it has a hard time accounting for the millions of Hispanic voters who voted for Trump... unless you think they

The problem with this argument as stated is that it has a hard time accounting for the millions of Hispanic voters who voted for Trump... unless you think they are actually self-hating anti-Hispanic racists or something. (Yes, I know more hispanics voted for Clinton than for Trump, but the split was nowhere close to 100-0. It wasn't even close to the 88-12 or so that African-American voters split for Clinton.)

deadringerr 10y ago
The Hispanic population is still overwhelmingly Catholic[0]. There will always be sway when abortion is on the table. [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/even-as-hispanics-lift-catholicism-theyre-leaving-it.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/even-as-hispanics-l...
- bzbarsky 10y ago
  Sure. And there are other reasons they might have voted for Trump too. I'm just saying that clearly people can vote for him without endorsing his position on some particular issue, even one that cuts very close to them. The parent of my comment was saying that this was abnormal, whereas it is (sadly, perhaps?) quite common in voting.
  - deadringerr 10y ago
    Right, I was supporting your argument by providing one historically consistent potential reason for endorsement from that segment of the population.
- bzbarsky 10y ago
  One other thing: Trump got about the same fraction of the Latino vote as Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008, to within exit poll survey error. The actual cited number for him is between those for McCain and Romney. See http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-wins-latino-vote-but-falls-below-2012-support-for-obama/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/hillary-clin... So apparently he's no more abnormal than McCain and Romney were, to those voters. Or at least they felt their other options this time were a lot worse. Or something. It's hard to draw a hard conclusion from the numbers here.

deadringerr 10y ago

The Hispanic population is still overwhelmingly Catholic[0]. There will always be sway when abortion is on the table. [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/even-as-hispanics-lift-catholicism-theyre-leaving-it.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/even-as-hispanics-l...

bzbarsky 10y ago
Sure. And there are other reasons they might have voted for Trump too. I'm just saying that clearly people can vote for him without endorsing his position on some particular issue, even one that cuts very close to them. The parent of my comment was saying that this was abnormal, whereas it is (sadly, perhaps?) quite common in voting.
- deadringerr 10y ago
  Right, I was supporting your argument by providing one historically consistent potential reason for endorsement from that segment of the population.
bzbarsky 10y ago
One other thing: Trump got about the same fraction of the Latino vote as Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008, to within exit poll survey error. The actual cited number for him is between those for McCain and Romney. See http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-wins-latino-vote-but-falls-below-2012-support-for-obama/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/hillary-clin... So apparently he's no more abnormal than McCain and Romney were, to those voters. Or at least they felt their other options this time were a lot worse. Or something. It's hard to draw a hard conclusion from the numbers here.