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I think, despite political affiliation, it's our obligation to hold him to the promises we believe in and galvanize his fired-up base to do so as well. I voted

by fny 10y ago

I think, despite political affiliation, it's our obligation to hold him to the promises we believe in and galvanize his fired-up base to do so as well. I voted for Clinton and volunteered for the campaign, but I'll gladly push him to keep his word on this promise and the others that I believe will benefit our country.

r00fus 10y ago
Concur wholeheartedly. Just not very optimistic. But who knows?
- fny 10y ago
  If he doesn't keep his word we'll have ammo to oust him in 4 years, perhaps impeach him sooner, perhaps revise congress in 2 years. Otherwise, we get the change we want.
  - ianamartin 10y ago
    Be careful what you wish for. I can't stand Trump and don't support him at all. But he's got a damn good insurance policy against impeachment in the form of Pence. Pence is a religious nutbag and would be a million times worse than Trump, if you can comprehend a level of bad that awful.
  - fisherjeff 10y ago
    I have serious doubts. I think the one thing that this election has proven is that fact-checking is dead. PolitiFact rated 70% of Trump's reviewed statements as at least "mostly false" and there were basically zero consequences. The next election cycle is going to be brutal.
    - rjeli 10y ago
      Politifact is blatantly biased. Bernie and Trump made the same claim about african american youth unemployment, and they rated Trump a liar and Bernie honest [0][1]. [0]: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/13/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-african/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/... [1]: http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-misleadingly-puts-black-youth-unemployment-r/ http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/do...
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      - rincebrain 10y ago
        The primary difference there appears to be that the Sanders campaign answered a request for where their numbers came from with references, and the Trump campaign did not respond, leaving the (different) author to attempt to research the topic themself.
        rndgermandude 10y ago
        The Sanders article they published dates almost a year before the Trump one... They should have found their own article if they attempted serious research
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    - fny 10y ago
      > there were basically zero consequences 50%+ of the country voted against him. It's up to us hold his feet to the fire and wake up the other 50%.
      - zepto 10y ago
        Or maybe just another 2%
      - noobermin 10y ago
        Word to the wise, less people voted for Trump than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012 (although they are still counting), and Romney lost. Next time, put someone up who could be voted for, not just point to someone to vote against.
        rndgermandude 10y ago
        Just for the sake of completeness: And less people voted for Clinton than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012.
        noobermin 10y ago
        Right, 6 million less people voted this year. If Trump won, he won in the margins and due to lack of enthusiasm on Clinton's side. That is my entire point.
      - dyeje 10y ago
        Well that's not quite accurate, because 45% of the country just didn't vote.
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    - gozur88 10y ago
      "Fact checking" was never more than a partisan exercise. The people going to PoliFact for fact checking are the people who wouldn't vote for Trump anyway.
      - nickthemagicman 10y ago
        Lol. 'Facts' are partisan. Lol... God help us all.
        mixedCase 10y ago
        You missed the quotation marks in his comment. So-called "fact checkers" are almost never non-partisan in practice, pronouncing half-truths or outright lies as facts and truth or almost correct information as (in PolitiFact terms) "Pants on fire" lies.
  - Bombthecat 10y ago
    I think he knows that his voters don't care about privacy, telco mergers and stuff like that. Where he needs to deliver is: the wall ( not literally though) making us more powerful in military and maybe a bit protectionism for US firms. And remove obamacare. Thats it. For the rest not done he will blame the other ( parties) not patriotic enough. He would make America great again! But you know! Those damn commies!
tootie 10y ago
I'm desperately hoping he breaks 90% of his promises. A media merger is the absolute least of our concerns when he's promised to end net neutrality and force companies to give up encryption keys.
- rangibaby 10y ago
  > he's promised to end net neutrality That's bad > force companies to give up encryption keys. They already did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit
  - qznc 10y ago
    I guess companies means "Apple". Trump wanted them to open that iPhone for the FBI and asked for a boycott.
r_smart 10y ago
If you visit r/the_donald today, you'll see a lot of this sentiment. I think it's been easy to forget that regardless of political identity, most of us agree on a lot of things. Like anyone in power, he should be held to account, and held to his promises. At least we can look forward to the media actually challenging the powers that be in the years ahead.
- mrgreenfur 10y ago
  I went there and the first link called President Obama a 'Pussy'. I'm down for discourse and all, but how can anyone take all this machismo name calling?
  - r_smart 10y ago
    Well, I didn't say it was all wine and roses :) I'd also like to point out I've seen a lot of people calling Trump voters racist, sexist, homophobic, fascists. Let's not pretend like there's something uniquely toxic about that place.
    - mrgreenfur 10y ago
      I dont understand. I've never seen any other political forum so filled with bullying and hate. No one is discussing anything. It is alarming because it IS uniquely toxic. (disclaimer: I dont spend much time in any political forums. Can you link some if I'm wrong?)
      - r_smart 10y ago
        Yeah, maybe I just got lucky? Maybe I have a higher tolerance? Maybe we have different political affiliations that make you more sensitive to it than me? I couldn't find the specific comment I was referring to, I think they've had a ton of traffic from their users this week, for obvious reasons. I skimmed through and grabbed some posts that I thought are a decent selection of what I'm talking about. I don't necessarily endorse any of the views in the comments, but just want to point out that there's a lot of solid commentary in there too, not just memes. The point is, these aren't just a bunch of uneducated racist assholes, despite what the narrative would tell you. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cafd5/need_a_postmortem_liberals_you_went_too_far/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cafd5/need_a_p... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/president_assad_syria_is_ready_to_cooperate_with/d9und6u/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden... [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/president_assad_syria_is_ready_to_cooperate_with/d9um3rg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden... [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7uk2/game_over_cnn_is_now_officially_projecting_that/d9ujmdb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7uk2/game_ove... [4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7tq2/we_won_the_fight_but_the_war_continues_show_some/d9ubeqx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7tq2/we_won_t... [5]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8vhf/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [6]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8ws6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8a02/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [8]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9uffst/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [9]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9ud99o/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

by fny 10y ago

r00fus 10y ago

Concur wholeheartedly. Just not very optimistic. But who knows?

fny 10y ago
If he doesn't keep his word we'll have ammo to oust him in 4 years, perhaps impeach him sooner, perhaps revise congress in 2 years. Otherwise, we get the change we want.
- ianamartin 10y ago
  Be careful what you wish for. I can't stand Trump and don't support him at all. But he's got a damn good insurance policy against impeachment in the form of Pence. Pence is a religious nutbag and would be a million times worse than Trump, if you can comprehend a level of bad that awful.
- fisherjeff 10y ago
  I have serious doubts. I think the one thing that this election has proven is that fact-checking is dead. PolitiFact rated 70% of Trump's reviewed statements as at least "mostly false" and there were basically zero consequences. The next election cycle is going to be brutal.
  - rjeli 10y ago
    Politifact is blatantly biased. Bernie and Trump made the same claim about african american youth unemployment, and they rated Trump a liar and Bernie honest [0][1]. [0]: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/13/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-african/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/... [1]: http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-misleadingly-puts-black-youth-unemployment-r/ http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/do...
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    - rincebrain 10y ago
      The primary difference there appears to be that the Sanders campaign answered a request for where their numbers came from with references, and the Trump campaign did not respond, leaving the (different) author to attempt to research the topic themself.
      - rndgermandude 10y ago
        The Sanders article they published dates almost a year before the Trump one... They should have found their own article if they attempted serious research
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  - fny 10y ago
    > there were basically zero consequences 50%+ of the country voted against him. It's up to us hold his feet to the fire and wake up the other 50%.
    - zepto 10y ago
      Or maybe just another 2%
    - noobermin 10y ago
      Word to the wise, less people voted for Trump than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012 (although they are still counting), and Romney lost. Next time, put someone up who could be voted for, not just point to someone to vote against.
      - rndgermandude 10y ago
        Just for the sake of completeness: And less people voted for Clinton than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012.
        noobermin 10y ago
        Right, 6 million less people voted this year. If Trump won, he won in the margins and due to lack of enthusiasm on Clinton's side. That is my entire point.
    - dyeje 10y ago
      Well that's not quite accurate, because 45% of the country just didn't vote.
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  - gozur88 10y ago
    "Fact checking" was never more than a partisan exercise. The people going to PoliFact for fact checking are the people who wouldn't vote for Trump anyway.
    - nickthemagicman 10y ago
      Lol. 'Facts' are partisan. Lol... God help us all.
      - mixedCase 10y ago
        You missed the quotation marks in his comment. So-called "fact checkers" are almost never non-partisan in practice, pronouncing half-truths or outright lies as facts and truth or almost correct information as (in PolitiFact terms) "Pants on fire" lies.
- Bombthecat 10y ago
  I think he knows that his voters don't care about privacy, telco mergers and stuff like that. Where he needs to deliver is: the wall ( not literally though) making us more powerful in military and maybe a bit protectionism for US firms. And remove obamacare. Thats it. For the rest not done he will blame the other ( parties) not patriotic enough. He would make America great again! But you know! Those damn commies!

tootie 10y ago

I'm desperately hoping he breaks 90% of his promises. A media merger is the absolute least of our concerns when he's promised to end net neutrality and force companies to give up encryption keys.

rangibaby 10y ago
> he's promised to end net neutrality That's bad > force companies to give up encryption keys. They already did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit
- qznc 10y ago
  I guess companies means "Apple". Trump wanted them to open that iPhone for the FBI and asked for a boycott.

r_smart 10y ago

If you visit r/the_donald today, you'll see a lot of this sentiment. I think it's been easy to forget that regardless of political identity, most of us agree on a lot of things. Like anyone in power, he should be held to account, and held to his promises. At least we can look forward to the media actually challenging the powers that be in the years ahead.

mrgreenfur 10y ago
I went there and the first link called President Obama a 'Pussy'. I'm down for discourse and all, but how can anyone take all this machismo name calling?
- r_smart 10y ago
  Well, I didn't say it was all wine and roses :) I'd also like to point out I've seen a lot of people calling Trump voters racist, sexist, homophobic, fascists. Let's not pretend like there's something uniquely toxic about that place.
  - mrgreenfur 10y ago
    I dont understand. I've never seen any other political forum so filled with bullying and hate. No one is discussing anything. It is alarming because it IS uniquely toxic. (disclaimer: I dont spend much time in any political forums. Can you link some if I'm wrong?)
    - r_smart 10y ago
      Yeah, maybe I just got lucky? Maybe I have a higher tolerance? Maybe we have different political affiliations that make you more sensitive to it than me? I couldn't find the specific comment I was referring to, I think they've had a ton of traffic from their users this week, for obvious reasons. I skimmed through and grabbed some posts that I thought are a decent selection of what I'm talking about. I don't necessarily endorse any of the views in the comments, but just want to point out that there's a lot of solid commentary in there too, not just memes. The point is, these aren't just a bunch of uneducated racist assholes, despite what the narrative would tell you. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cafd5/need_a_postmortem_liberals_you_went_too_far/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cafd5/need_a_p... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/president_assad_syria_is_ready_to_cooperate_with/d9und6u/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden... [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/president_assad_syria_is_ready_to_cooperate_with/d9um3rg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden... [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7uk2/game_over_cnn_is_now_officially_projecting_that/d9ujmdb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7uk2/game_ove... [4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7tq2/we_won_the_fight_but_the_war_continues_show_some/d9ubeqx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7tq2/we_won_t... [5]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8vhf/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [6]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8ws6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9u8a02/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [8]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9uffst/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi... [9]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trending_on_youtube_a_concerned_stephen_colbert/d9ud99o/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...