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Angular 3 is hot on the heels of Angular 2

39 points by cgs 10y ago

flukus 10y ago
Oh good, I was just thinking we needed more churn in javascript frameworks.
k__ 10y ago
lol, I thought they had already included every programming concept into ng2, what's left for 3? ;)
- twblalock 10y ago
  As a Java guy (who is very into Java 8 and very not into old-school software patterns), I was very amused when I learned that Angular has factories. This just reinforces my view that JavaScript is going through the same phase Java frameworks did a while ago -- lots of people trying to figure out which kinds of frameworks and patterns to use, until one reaches the AbstractFactoryFactory and the whole ecosystem becomes a punchline.
  - groovy2shoes 10y ago
    Judging by most of the comments in this thread, it seems to me like the JavaScript ecosystem is already a punchline. IMHO, the problems/punchline extends past JS to the entire Web development ecosystem, and has for quite some time now.
  - insin 10y ago
    One of the Redux utility functions I reuse across projects [1] would live in an ActionDispatcherFactoryFactory class in Java, but it can just be an 8 line function in JavaScript. [1] https://gist.github.com/insin/526b7b006039c16f8b2987a80372170c https://gist.github.com/insin/526b7b006039c16f8b2987a8037217...
    - twblalock 10y ago
      That could be done in a Java 8 stream in a similar number of lines.
keyle 10y ago
Someone asked me why I thought using Angular was a bad idea for a long term view. All I had to say was "ask the knockoutjs guys how they're finding new recruits on the market".
- flukus 10y ago
  > All I had to say was "ask the knockoutjs guys how they're finding new recruits on the market". Not sure what you mean, but Knockout can be learned in a day and nearly mastered in a week. There'd be no need to look for someone proficient in knockout.
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  You'll have a much easier time finding a decent JavaScript dev who can quickly get up to speed with Knockout (or Vue/Mithril/etc)... compared to finding someone with "3 years experience in Mega Framework X", where X is only a couple of months old. Now, if you might have an argument if you mean recruiting in terms of, "What sexy thing will help me attract rock star 10X JavaScript devs, who haven't used X professionally yet but are dying to do so?". However, the problem with that argument is that people who come to you for the latest trendy edge will leave if you don't chase the next trend every six months. In fact, even today they're already more interested in the React shop next door. Frankly, if you're willing to be a bit less sexy with your front-end tech stack, you can hire more stable and affordable developers and probably be better off altogether.
Aldo_MX 10y ago
http://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/ http://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/
citizenkeen 10y ago
> when features are to be deprecated, the Angular team will let developers know ahead of time and keep supporting that feature for two major release cycles > Wormald promised a new major version twice a year from now on. So... Support for deprecated features for one year? Hahahahaha. <sniff> Whooo, feels good to laugh.
snarkyturtle 10y ago
Disregard
- pbz 10y ago
  https://github.com/angular/angular/milestones https://github.com/angular/angular/milestones
  - snarkyturtle 10y ago
    d'oh, must've missed that, thanks
helthanatos 10y ago
Why would Google want that? Why would developers want that? I hate when features are deprecated and what I hate more than that is meaningless versioning. If you're going to constantly change something, keep it in beta channel until you decide. I can see adding a few features every so often but a major version twice a year?
douche 10y ago
Keeping up with the treadmill is just getting exhausting. I'm too young to be getting this cynical. I'm happy that most of my codebase is built on battle-tested, well-understood, libraries that are 3-5 years old... Happiness really is a boring stack.
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39 points by cgs 10y ago

flukus 10y ago

Oh good, I was just thinking we needed more churn in javascript frameworks.

k__ 10y ago

lol, I thought they had already included every programming concept into ng2, what's left for 3? ;)

twblalock 10y ago
As a Java guy (who is very into Java 8 and very not into old-school software patterns), I was very amused when I learned that Angular has factories. This just reinforces my view that JavaScript is going through the same phase Java frameworks did a while ago -- lots of people trying to figure out which kinds of frameworks and patterns to use, until one reaches the AbstractFactoryFactory and the whole ecosystem becomes a punchline.
- groovy2shoes 10y ago
  Judging by most of the comments in this thread, it seems to me like the JavaScript ecosystem is already a punchline. IMHO, the problems/punchline extends past JS to the entire Web development ecosystem, and has for quite some time now.
- insin 10y ago
  One of the Redux utility functions I reuse across projects [1] would live in an ActionDispatcherFactoryFactory class in Java, but it can just be an 8 line function in JavaScript. [1] https://gist.github.com/insin/526b7b006039c16f8b2987a80372170c https://gist.github.com/insin/526b7b006039c16f8b2987a8037217...
  - twblalock 10y ago
    That could be done in a Java 8 stream in a similar number of lines.

keyle 10y ago

Someone asked me why I thought using Angular was a bad idea for a long term view. All I had to say was "ask the knockoutjs guys how they're finding new recruits on the market".

flukus 10y ago
> All I had to say was "ask the knockoutjs guys how they're finding new recruits on the market". Not sure what you mean, but Knockout can be learned in a day and nearly mastered in a week. There'd be no need to look for someone proficient in knockout.
StevePerkins 10y ago
You'll have a much easier time finding a decent JavaScript dev who can quickly get up to speed with Knockout (or Vue/Mithril/etc)... compared to finding someone with "3 years experience in Mega Framework X", where X is only a couple of months old. Now, if you might have an argument if you mean recruiting in terms of, "What sexy thing will help me attract rock star 10X JavaScript devs, who haven't used X professionally yet but are dying to do so?". However, the problem with that argument is that people who come to you for the latest trendy edge will leave if you don't chase the next trend every six months. In fact, even today they're already more interested in the React shop next door. Frankly, if you're willing to be a bit less sexy with your front-end tech stack, you can hire more stable and affordable developers and probably be better off altogether.

Aldo_MX 10y ago

http://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/ http://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/

citizenkeen 10y ago

> when features are to be deprecated, the Angular team will let developers know ahead of time and keep supporting that feature for two major release cycles > Wormald promised a new major version twice a year from now on. So... Support for deprecated features for one year? Hahahahaha. <sniff> Whooo, feels good to laugh.

snarkyturtle 10y ago

Disregard

pbz 10y ago
https://github.com/angular/angular/milestones https://github.com/angular/angular/milestones
- snarkyturtle 10y ago
  d'oh, must've missed that, thanks

helthanatos 10y ago

Why would Google want that? Why would developers want that? I hate when features are deprecated and what I hate more than that is meaningless versioning. If you're going to constantly change something, keep it in beta channel until you decide. I can see adding a few features every so often but a major version twice a year?

douche 10y ago

Keeping up with the treadmill is just getting exhausting. I'm too young to be getting this cynical. I'm happy that most of my codebase is built on battle-tested, well-understood, libraries that are 3-5 years old... Happiness really is a boring stack.

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