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And for all the jokes about testing in production, that's literally all we can do.

by uremog 10y ago

Houshalter 10y ago
Well if we had a sane government, we could try rolling out new policies to randomly selected regions and cities first. We could use prediction markets to predict the effects of policies before implementing them.
- bzbarsky 10y ago
  To some extent we do this. For example, we rolled out "legal recreational marijuana" to a few states several years ago, then watched what happened. In this election we rolled it out to a few more states and will see what happens. Not random selection, of course, but better than nothing.
  - chillacy 10y ago
    Good to know I live in one of the staging states, at least I get the beta features sooner.
  - xerxes777 10y ago
    50-80 years ago you banned drugs everywhere. That what USA intention. Now you doing opposite and are so happy with it. Now you like LGBT, in 50 years you will kill them. Same with many things. The problem is that you do all this things to the world. And poor world must bend to your changing mind. USA, keep this mind-changing insanity to yourself, ok?
    - bzbarsky 10y ago
      > 50-80 years ago you banned drugs everywhere. Just so we're clear, 50-80 years ago I wasn't alive. ;) But if you insist on doing things this way, you could make this sort of case about all sorts of countries: "50-80 years ago, you were killing Jews in Europe; now you're not and are so happy about it." Well, except not everyone is happy, of course. "50-80 years ago, you Japanese were enslaving people in countries around yours, now you're not and are so happy about it." "25 years ago, you Swiss wouldn't let your women vote in elections in your canton, now you do and are so happy about." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden#Women.27s_right_to_vote.2C_1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden#Women.27... > Now you doing opposite and are so happy with it. I dunno about _happy_. There are a bunch of people not happy with marijuana legalization, and a bunch more who are not terribly happy with it but are even less happy with the state of things. Just like there were people who were not happy to end alcohol prohibition, but were even less happy with the state of things when prohibition was in effect. > Now you like LGBT, in 50 years you will kill them. Just like the Swiss will repeal women's suffrage and various countries in Europe will go back to murdering Jews, right? Or perhaps, just possibly, that might not happen? Maybe? > The problem is that you do all this things to the world. Really? How, exactly, is "the world" affected by the legality or not of marijuana in the US? There's some interaction with our immediate neighbors due to attempts to eliminate smuggling operations, but other than that, what is this doing to "the world"?
      - xerxes777 10y ago
        All this countries don't rule the world. You are THE ruler. You must be much much much more aware of what you do with each step (let's for a minute ignore that you don't really care). >Really? How, exactly, is "the world" affected by the legality or not of marijuana in the US? It's simple. CA accepts -> other states accept because they look after CA & NY & TX -> UK accepts because in such things they look after USA -> EU accepts because in such things they do what USA & UK do -> Russia accepts because in such things they do what EU do (yes, it is true). 5-10 years for each step.
        bzbarsky 10y ago
        > UK accepts because in such things they look after USA I really fail to see how this is the "fault" of the US. This is literally one of the first things children are taught: "if all your friends went and jumped off a tall building, that doesn't mean _you_ have to", etc. In practice, different places may want different approaches for legalization or not of such things, because of cultural or demographic differences. And that's perfectly OK, though may cause friction at borders.

And for all the jokes about testing in production, that's literally all we can do.

by uremog 10y ago

And for all the jokes about testing in production, that's literally all we can do.

Well if we had a sane government, we could try rolling out new policies to randomly selected regions and cities first. We could use prediction markets to predict the effects of policies before implementing them.

bzbarsky 10y ago
To some extent we do this. For example, we rolled out "legal recreational marijuana" to a few states several years ago, then watched what happened. In this election we rolled it out to a few more states and will see what happens. Not random selection, of course, but better than nothing.
- chillacy 10y ago
  Good to know I live in one of the staging states, at least I get the beta features sooner.
- xerxes777 10y ago
  50-80 years ago you banned drugs everywhere. That what USA intention. Now you doing opposite and are so happy with it. Now you like LGBT, in 50 years you will kill them. Same with many things. The problem is that you do all this things to the world. And poor world must bend to your changing mind. USA, keep this mind-changing insanity to yourself, ok?
  - bzbarsky 10y ago
    > 50-80 years ago you banned drugs everywhere. Just so we're clear, 50-80 years ago I wasn't alive. ;) But if you insist on doing things this way, you could make this sort of case about all sorts of countries: "50-80 years ago, you were killing Jews in Europe; now you're not and are so happy about it." Well, except not everyone is happy, of course. "50-80 years ago, you Japanese were enslaving people in countries around yours, now you're not and are so happy about it." "25 years ago, you Swiss wouldn't let your women vote in elections in your canton, now you do and are so happy about." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden#Women.27s_right_to_vote.2C_1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden#Women.27... > Now you doing opposite and are so happy with it. I dunno about _happy_. There are a bunch of people not happy with marijuana legalization, and a bunch more who are not terribly happy with it but are even less happy with the state of things. Just like there were people who were not happy to end alcohol prohibition, but were even less happy with the state of things when prohibition was in effect. > Now you like LGBT, in 50 years you will kill them. Just like the Swiss will repeal women's suffrage and various countries in Europe will go back to murdering Jews, right? Or perhaps, just possibly, that might not happen? Maybe? > The problem is that you do all this things to the world. Really? How, exactly, is "the world" affected by the legality or not of marijuana in the US? There's some interaction with our immediate neighbors due to attempts to eliminate smuggling operations, but other than that, what is this doing to "the world"?
    - xerxes777 10y ago
      All this countries don't rule the world. You are THE ruler. You must be much much much more aware of what you do with each step (let's for a minute ignore that you don't really care). >Really? How, exactly, is "the world" affected by the legality or not of marijuana in the US? It's simple. CA accepts -> other states accept because they look after CA & NY & TX -> UK accepts because in such things they look after USA -> EU accepts because in such things they do what USA & UK do -> Russia accepts because in such things they do what EU do (yes, it is true). 5-10 years for each step.
      - bzbarsky 10y ago
        > UK accepts because in such things they look after USA I really fail to see how this is the "fault" of the US. This is literally one of the first things children are taught: "if all your friends went and jumped off a tall building, that doesn't mean _you_ have to", etc. In practice, different places may want different approaches for legalization or not of such things, because of cultural or demographic differences. And that's perfectly OK, though may cause friction at borders.