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Very many sane people had no desire to see Hillary Clinton be the president of the United States. There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is t

Very many sane people had no desire to see Hillary Clinton be the president of the United States. There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely.

logicallee 10y ago
Nobody thought Clinton was swell, most Democrats I've spoken with hated her. The alternative is someone (Trump) who never had any kind of political experience of any kind, period. Would you get in a plane flown by someone with 0 hours of flight training, literally zero? I'd rather get in a plane flown by a pilot who has spoken out publicly about being a Jihadi terrorist (in this analogy Hillary Clinton, and I make this analogy because I really, really disagree with a lot of her policies and I don't even like her and don't think she even wants what's best for me), than in a plane piloted by someone who literally has never piloted anything, not just a jumbo jet but not even sat in a student's seat, of any kind of plane. Who doesn't even have a driver's license. That is insane. Never in the history of the United States has someone with no political experience of any kind been elected to the Presidency. It's just insane.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Your explanation of your thought process is appreciated, but no amount of your insistence that your opinion is the only acceptable one makes it so.
- billfor 10y ago
  Google "What jobs did Obama have". At least Trump ran a company and built things like hotels, which shows some organizational skill. If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) he might get some where -- we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
  - pmelendez 10y ago
    > If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) I don't know if you realize, but Trump's definition of efficiency is ripping off people he has leverage off, now he will have several degrees of freedom to rip off not only tax players but governments. I have a strong feeling that the plan he has to make Mexico pay for the wall involves leverage with the NAFTA redefinition... He might miscalculate this though, Mexico is not as dependent of USA as it used to be
  - DigitalJack 10y ago
    I agree with you regarding the business perspective. I don't think the efficiency of his campaign is directly applicable, more I would say his ability to seize an advantage (the media's strong dislike of him) where others would not have even known there was an advantage to be had is the real takeaway. A crucial skill for negotiating.
lingben 10y ago
> There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely. You do realize that Clinton won the popular vote, right? the majority of Americans agree with her policies and voted for her. Trump won because of the arcane 18th century election structure unique to the US called an electoral college.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Ahh, is it time to cry about the electoral college again? I suppose if no one knew going in that it was the way things were done, I'd care. Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. The thorough repudiation is that Hillary Clinton was anointed the next president, anointed the "only" "sane" choice, and lost. It's a fact, no matter what tears people dredge up now. I say this with no love or support for Donald Trump, just open eyes in a process that most people enter willfully blind.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    > Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. To be fair, it's not like this only gets brought up after the election. The last 3-6 months have been filled with people complaining about how our voting system works, different systems and their own problems, etc.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      Sure, that's totally fair. I don't even particularly like the electoral college system personally.
  - lingben 10y ago
    this infographic shows just how razor thin the win was for Trump and how it was delivered via the electoral college: http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg these are facts, one can decide to deride them in a childish attempt to obfuscate or wallow in ignorance or one can choose to objectively discuss them as they are

logicallee 10y ago

Nobody thought Clinton was swell, most Democrats I've spoken with hated her. The alternative is someone (Trump) who never had any kind of political experience of any kind, period. Would you get in a plane flown by someone with 0 hours of flight training, literally zero? I'd rather get in a plane flown by a pilot who has spoken out publicly about being a Jihadi terrorist (in this analogy Hillary Clinton, and I make this analogy because I really, really disagree with a lot of her policies and I don't even like her and don't think she even wants what's best for me), than in a plane piloted by someone who literally has never piloted anything, not just a jumbo jet but not even sat in a student's seat, of any kind of plane. Who doesn't even have a driver's license. That is insane. Never in the history of the United States has someone with no political experience of any kind been elected to the Presidency. It's just insane.

oldmanjay 10y ago
Your explanation of your thought process is appreciated, but no amount of your insistence that your opinion is the only acceptable one makes it so.
billfor 10y ago
Google "What jobs did Obama have". At least Trump ran a company and built things like hotels, which shows some organizational skill. If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) he might get some where -- we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
- pmelendez 10y ago
  > If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) I don't know if you realize, but Trump's definition of efficiency is ripping off people he has leverage off, now he will have several degrees of freedom to rip off not only tax players but governments. I have a strong feeling that the plan he has to make Mexico pay for the wall involves leverage with the NAFTA redefinition... He might miscalculate this though, Mexico is not as dependent of USA as it used to be
- DigitalJack 10y ago
  I agree with you regarding the business perspective. I don't think the efficiency of his campaign is directly applicable, more I would say his ability to seize an advantage (the media's strong dislike of him) where others would not have even known there was an advantage to be had is the real takeaway. A crucial skill for negotiating.

lingben 10y ago

> There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely. You do realize that Clinton won the popular vote, right? the majority of Americans agree with her policies and voted for her. Trump won because of the arcane 18th century election structure unique to the US called an electoral college.

oldmanjay 10y ago
Ahh, is it time to cry about the electoral college again? I suppose if no one knew going in that it was the way things were done, I'd care. Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. The thorough repudiation is that Hillary Clinton was anointed the next president, anointed the "only" "sane" choice, and lost. It's a fact, no matter what tears people dredge up now. I say this with no love or support for Donald Trump, just open eyes in a process that most people enter willfully blind.
- kbenson 10y ago
  > Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. To be fair, it's not like this only gets brought up after the election. The last 3-6 months have been filled with people complaining about how our voting system works, different systems and their own problems, etc.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Sure, that's totally fair. I don't even particularly like the electoral college system personally.
- lingben 10y ago
  this infographic shows just how razor thin the win was for Trump and how it was delivered via the electoral college: http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg these are facts, one can decide to deride them in a childish attempt to obfuscate or wallow in ignorance or one can choose to objectively discuss them as they are