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trump is an idiot who has no business being president of the country, which marks the first time someone with zero (literally zero) political experience, not ev

trump is an idiot who has no business being president of the country, which marks the first time someone with zero (literally zero) political experience, not even military service, was elected to that position. That said, he speaks his mind and it's trivial to see what he's thinking. Had Hillary Clinton (who I and any sane person would like over Trump) become President, it would be impossible to know what she really thought of anything or to decipher anything she said: she's a career politician, who pauses before speaking and then speaks out of both sides of her mouth. listening to Trump is like listening to some random drunk idiot in a bar. he isn't pulling one over on anyone - he barely knows where he is. sometimes that has its advantages.

oldmanjay 10y ago
Very many sane people had no desire to see Hillary Clinton be the president of the United States. There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely.
- logicallee 10y ago
  Nobody thought Clinton was swell, most Democrats I've spoken with hated her. The alternative is someone (Trump) who never had any kind of political experience of any kind, period. Would you get in a plane flown by someone with 0 hours of flight training, literally zero? I'd rather get in a plane flown by a pilot who has spoken out publicly about being a Jihadi terrorist (in this analogy Hillary Clinton, and I make this analogy because I really, really disagree with a lot of her policies and I don't even like her and don't think she even wants what's best for me), than in a plane piloted by someone who literally has never piloted anything, not just a jumbo jet but not even sat in a student's seat, of any kind of plane. Who doesn't even have a driver's license. That is insane. Never in the history of the United States has someone with no political experience of any kind been elected to the Presidency. It's just insane.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Your explanation of your thought process is appreciated, but no amount of your insistence that your opinion is the only acceptable one makes it so.
  - billfor 10y ago
    Google "What jobs did Obama have". At least Trump ran a company and built things like hotels, which shows some organizational skill. If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) he might get some where -- we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
    - pmelendez 10y ago
      > If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) I don't know if you realize, but Trump's definition of efficiency is ripping off people he has leverage off, now he will have several degrees of freedom to rip off not only tax players but governments. I have a strong feeling that the plan he has to make Mexico pay for the wall involves leverage with the NAFTA redefinition... He might miscalculate this though, Mexico is not as dependent of USA as it used to be
    - DigitalJack 10y ago
      I agree with you regarding the business perspective. I don't think the efficiency of his campaign is directly applicable, more I would say his ability to seize an advantage (the media's strong dislike of him) where others would not have even known there was an advantage to be had is the real takeaway. A crucial skill for negotiating.
- lingben 10y ago
  > There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely. You do realize that Clinton won the popular vote, right? the majority of Americans agree with her policies and voted for her. Trump won because of the arcane 18th century election structure unique to the US called an electoral college.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Ahh, is it time to cry about the electoral college again? I suppose if no one knew going in that it was the way things were done, I'd care. Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. The thorough repudiation is that Hillary Clinton was anointed the next president, anointed the "only" "sane" choice, and lost. It's a fact, no matter what tears people dredge up now. I say this with no love or support for Donald Trump, just open eyes in a process that most people enter willfully blind.
    - kbenson 10y ago
      > Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. To be fair, it's not like this only gets brought up after the election. The last 3-6 months have been filled with people complaining about how our voting system works, different systems and their own problems, etc.
      - oldmanjay 10y ago
        Sure, that's totally fair. I don't even particularly like the electoral college system personally.
    - lingben 10y ago
      this infographic shows just how razor thin the win was for Trump and how it was delivered via the electoral college: http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg these are facts, one can decide to deride them in a childish attempt to obfuscate or wallow in ignorance or one can choose to objectively discuss them as they are
stefantalpalaru 10y ago
> Had Hillary Clinton (who I and any sane person preferred) become President, it would be impossible to know what she really thought of anything or to decipher anything she said: she's a career politician, who pauses before speaking and then speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She was crystal clear when she justified bombing Iran in a private (and paid) speech to some bankers: https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/5945ho/hillary_justified_bombing_iran_in_a_june_2013/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/5945ho/hillary_ju...
andrewchambers 10y ago
It would be easy to tell what he thinks... except for the fact nobody knows what his real positions are, what he is really going to do and that his strategy worked regardless.
- logicallee 10y ago
  This is very correct and true. Totally unpredicatble, exactly like a drunkard at a bar. He can be belligerent and almost get in a fight one minute and then be best buddies with an inanimate statue the next (in this case Putin, who doesn't have any actual relationship with Trump.) Completely unpredictable.
venomsnake 10y ago
Your whole post illustrates why Trump won. Any person that is able to parry and repose mid air the fat pigs question with "Only Rosie O'Donnel" is not an idiot by a long margin. I have been trump supporter since the beginning - your expert diagnosis of my mental health aside - the guy won for too long, against great odds, made all the long shots for that to be luck. And with a world gone mad, you may need a madman on top. So take a break, take a kit-kat, watch About Last Night... (South Park), calm down - the world has not ended yet. The country is mostly the same as yesterday. The deer in headlights coupled with chicken little act that Hilary supporters are performing today while mildly amusing is pointless. And if the left don't start to see the others as at least capable and dangerous opponents and not bigoted simpletons you may not see an winning election for a long time to come. What the SJW managed to do in the last 4 years by overplaying their hand is the creation of strong white identity. That thing did not existed before. You felt the first cut with brexit, and are now lacerated by 2016 election. If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. Trump knew himself and knew exactly what was against him. Your side didn't.
- return0 10y ago
  Today is not a day to make rational arguments. Any mention of trump incites spontaneous namecalling , as if only certain people are entitled to the truth. I'd give it a few days until the internet becomes usable again.
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915594 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915594 and marked it off-topic.

oldmanjay 10y ago

Very many sane people had no desire to see Hillary Clinton be the president of the United States. There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely.

logicallee 10y ago
Nobody thought Clinton was swell, most Democrats I've spoken with hated her. The alternative is someone (Trump) who never had any kind of political experience of any kind, period. Would you get in a plane flown by someone with 0 hours of flight training, literally zero? I'd rather get in a plane flown by a pilot who has spoken out publicly about being a Jihadi terrorist (in this analogy Hillary Clinton, and I make this analogy because I really, really disagree with a lot of her policies and I don't even like her and don't think she even wants what's best for me), than in a plane piloted by someone who literally has never piloted anything, not just a jumbo jet but not even sat in a student's seat, of any kind of plane. Who doesn't even have a driver's license. That is insane. Never in the history of the United States has someone with no political experience of any kind been elected to the Presidency. It's just insane.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Your explanation of your thought process is appreciated, but no amount of your insistence that your opinion is the only acceptable one makes it so.
- billfor 10y ago
  Google "What jobs did Obama have". At least Trump ran a company and built things like hotels, which shows some organizational skill. If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) he might get some where -- we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
  - pmelendez 10y ago
    > If he runs the goverment as efficiently as he did his campagin (less than $5/vote) I don't know if you realize, but Trump's definition of efficiency is ripping off people he has leverage off, now he will have several degrees of freedom to rip off not only tax players but governments. I have a strong feeling that the plan he has to make Mexico pay for the wall involves leverage with the NAFTA redefinition... He might miscalculate this though, Mexico is not as dependent of USA as it used to be
  - DigitalJack 10y ago
    I agree with you regarding the business perspective. I don't think the efficiency of his campaign is directly applicable, more I would say his ability to seize an advantage (the media's strong dislike of him) where others would not have even known there was an advantage to be had is the real takeaway. A crucial skill for negotiating.
lingben 10y ago
> There's just no need to keep pretending that your opinion is the only rational choice when you've been repudiated so completely. You do realize that Clinton won the popular vote, right? the majority of Americans agree with her policies and voted for her. Trump won because of the arcane 18th century election structure unique to the US called an electoral college.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Ahh, is it time to cry about the electoral college again? I suppose if no one knew going in that it was the way things were done, I'd care. Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. The thorough repudiation is that Hillary Clinton was anointed the next president, anointed the "only" "sane" choice, and lost. It's a fact, no matter what tears people dredge up now. I say this with no love or support for Donald Trump, just open eyes in a process that most people enter willfully blind.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    > Since everyone knew, it's just the worst kind of monday-morning quarterbacking. To be fair, it's not like this only gets brought up after the election. The last 3-6 months have been filled with people complaining about how our voting system works, different systems and their own problems, etc.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      Sure, that's totally fair. I don't even particularly like the electoral college system personally.
  - lingben 10y ago
    this infographic shows just how razor thin the win was for Trump and how it was delivered via the electoral college: http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FZEjdCF.jpg these are facts, one can decide to deride them in a childish attempt to obfuscate or wallow in ignorance or one can choose to objectively discuss them as they are

stefantalpalaru 10y ago

> Had Hillary Clinton (who I and any sane person preferred) become President, it would be impossible to know what she really thought of anything or to decipher anything she said: she's a career politician, who pauses before speaking and then speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She was crystal clear when she justified bombing Iran in a private (and paid) speech to some bankers: https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/5945ho/hillary_justified_bombing_iran_in_a_june_2013/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/5945ho/hillary_ju...

andrewchambers 10y ago

It would be easy to tell what he thinks... except for the fact nobody knows what his real positions are, what he is really going to do and that his strategy worked regardless.

logicallee 10y ago
This is very correct and true. Totally unpredicatble, exactly like a drunkard at a bar. He can be belligerent and almost get in a fight one minute and then be best buddies with an inanimate statue the next (in this case Putin, who doesn't have any actual relationship with Trump.) Completely unpredictable.

venomsnake 10y ago

Your whole post illustrates why Trump won. Any person that is able to parry and repose mid air the fat pigs question with "Only Rosie O'Donnel" is not an idiot by a long margin. I have been trump supporter since the beginning - your expert diagnosis of my mental health aside - the guy won for too long, against great odds, made all the long shots for that to be luck. And with a world gone mad, you may need a madman on top. So take a break, take a kit-kat, watch About Last Night... (South Park), calm down - the world has not ended yet. The country is mostly the same as yesterday. The deer in headlights coupled with chicken little act that Hilary supporters are performing today while mildly amusing is pointless. And if the left don't start to see the others as at least capable and dangerous opponents and not bigoted simpletons you may not see an winning election for a long time to come. What the SJW managed to do in the last 4 years by overplaying their hand is the creation of strong white identity. That thing did not existed before. You felt the first cut with brexit, and are now lacerated by 2016 election. If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. Trump knew himself and knew exactly what was against him. Your side didn't.

return0 10y ago
Today is not a day to make rational arguments. Any mention of trump incites spontaneous namecalling , as if only certain people are entitled to the truth. I'd give it a few days until the internet becomes usable again.

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915594 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915594 and marked it off-topic.