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> we should adapt it so it works best for us This is the very definition of rigging. The democratic primary was rigged to favor Hillary (the establishment), a
by unabst 10y ago
> we should adapt it so it works best for us
This is the very definition of rigging.
The democratic primary was rigged to favor Hillary (the establishment), and Bernie lost. The national election was rigged to "balance" the voice of States and Trump won. That is the only reason. It's also the only reason Bush won in 2000.
The system is already adapted so it works best for "us" except where us is these bubbles of people.
If we were to make "us" all of us, then what we need is pure democracy. Otherwise it's the Divided States of America. Every election the State borders could not be more prominent.
- grzm 10y agoI think we might be talking about different things, though perhaps not, so please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you. I was making the distinction between a representative democracy (where we elect representatives to make day-to-day decisions for us, such as the President, Senators, and Representatives.) and pure democracy (where each of us would have to vote on every decision). The Electoral College is something else all together. Your phrase "every election" indicates to me that you're in favor of representative democracy (as am I). I don't think pure democracy scales. Have I understood you correctly?
- unabst 10y agoAh yes. Pure voting. It always slips my mind that this thing called "pure democracy" exists as anti-representative democracy (which I don't even consider a sane option, so it never crosses my mind). Whenever we are measuring voice or volume, any "system" is rigging. That's the only point I am making.
- serge2k 10y ago> The system is already adapted so it works best for "us" Gerrymandering, a Senate who can say "Fuck you" to a supreme court nomination for a year, The person with the most votes not winning, brutal assaults on voter rights, etc... > Every election the State borders could not be more prominent A popular vote system for president would change that.
- tedunangst 10y agoHuh? gerrymandering doesn't affect the presidential race. It doesn't affect the senate either. The president obviously can't make the senate not say "fuck you", whether popularly elected or not. You'd think he'd have done so already, no? The sitting president was elected with the popular vote, but what has that done to prevent brutal assaults on voter rights?