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>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race i
by advantark2 10y ago
>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic
This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a large influx of Islamic immigration.
Much of the issue here is because of lack of understanding of the perspective of the other side.
- knz 10y ago> It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. I don't disagree with your point but how many "hard working" Americans want to work the fields and kitchens of the country for low wages? What impact is the removal of cheap labour going to have on the cost of food?
- advantark2 10y agoIt looks like food prices would go up by about 16%[0], which I would be happy with if I knew that people were getting a fair wage for the labor. If there's a shortage of workers willing to work at such a low wage, then they need to raise wages. [0]http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-immigrants-study-2016-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-i...
- pc86 10y agoIt doesn't matter how cheap the food is if you have to steal it because you don't have a job. And under-the-table wages aside, a white American dishwasher is not going to earn any more or less than a brown Mexican dishwasher.
- TheGirondin 10y agoThe country is filled with them once you leave the city - and they all turned out to vote last night. My first two jobs were seasonal work on a potato farm and then working on the line in a packing plant. Neither of them would be available to me, and certainly not at a living wage, with a continuation of open borders.
- chronic6l 10y agoI can assure you that the 59-60 million people who voted for Trump do not all live in the countryside. The Trump voters also live right along with you, including in Silicon Valley. As mentioned before, they don't say anything because liberals immediately call them racist bigot white supremacists, even if they are an immigrant.
- SPBesui 10y ago> Much of the issue here is because of lack of understanding of the perspective of the other side. This sums up pretty much every political debate ever.
- advantark2 10y agoAbsolutely true. And the first-past-the-post voting system in America amplifies the us-vs-them mentality that has created political gridlock for nearly a decade now.
- lelandbatey 10y agoThats been my biggest takeaway from this entire election: we need to implement "Instant Runoff Voting" as the way we vote in this country. http://fairvote.org/ http://fairvote.org/
- jliptzin 10y agoSadly most Americans will fail to understand why IRV would be good or even how it works.
- seabee 10y agoCase in point: http://www.fairvote.org/lessons-from-burlington http://www.fairvote.org/lessons-from-burlington
- Kronopath 10y agoDisagree. IRV introduces some bizarre nonlinearities in the voting space that could lead to shockingly unintuitive behaviour. See these voting simulations for an example: http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/ http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/ A better system would be something like approval voting, or condorcet, both described in the above link.
- woodchuck64 10y ago> It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. This is factually wrong. Immigrants and native workers compete for different low-skilled jobs: http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/immigrant-and-native-workers-compete-different-low-skilled-jobs http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/immigrant-and-native-workers... The big issue is the sheer amount of misinformation and falsehoods that the Trump demographic takes as truth. The lack of a good education-- and particularly the lack of a science education-- means most Trump voters are ill-equipped to distinguish fact from feel-good fiction.
- advantark2 10y agoYeah, and they compete for different jobs because the immigrants take jobs that otherwise would require higher pay to get workers to do.
- woodchuck64 10y agoThat's factually wrong. Documented workers’ wages rise with increases in the share of undocumented workers in a worker’s county and employed by their employers. Why? The law of comparative advantage says we get more productive when we have more trading partners, and the arrival of undocumented workers with limited English skills frees up low-skill American workers who can then specialize in tasks that require better English. http://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2015/08/28/how-do-illegal-immigrants-affect-american-workers-the-answer-might-surprise-you http://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2015/08/28/how-do-ille...
- bduerst 10y agoLegal immigrants must be paid more than prevailing wage. People like to parrot Disney at this point but USCIS is closing that loophole.
- advantark2 10y agoThat is correct, which is why Trump is just trying to get rid of illegal immigration.
- gaur 10y ago> It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. You know that is emphatically not the kind of statement that people were concerned with when they were talking about Trump's sexism.
- anonasdfgz 10y agoTrump doesn't use certain dog whistles and lacks the feminist shibboleths. That doesn't make him sexist. He has no problem hiring or working with women. The only sexism I've seen this election has been from the hillary camp. Wouldn't it be nice to have a female president? wink wink
- advantark2 10y agoPlease tell me then, how is Donald Trump sexist? *Edit to those who want to downvote me, please reconsider. I am asking a serious question, not trying to argue for no reason.
- arctangent 10y agoThe Hillary narrative would have you believe that because he is a man that he is inherently sexist. Only a woman could represent women effectively. And of course forget that Trump had a woman running his campaign and has many high-paid women helping to run his businesses. Many people find the truth inconvenient, hence the downvotes.
- mch82 10y agoFor example when he criticized Megyn Kelly as having "blood coming out of her wherever" implying that she asked him a tough question because she was having her period. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megy... And here is a long list of examples compiled by the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexis...
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- RealGeek 10y ago> It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. How come a con man who employees illegal immigrants at his construction projects and manufactures his own products in China & Bangladesh is the solution for it?
- advantark2 10y agoYou can dislike a game, yet understand it enough to win. The same goes with our economy.
- RealGeek 10y agoTrump is offering slogans, not solutions. The truth is, factories will come back to America, but jobs won't. Across all industries, labor is being replaced by automation. In the next 4 to 8 years, self-driving vehicles will kill millions of driving and trucking jobs. Donald has no solution for it.
- hourislate 10y ago>It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. I'm curious, what jobs have they taken away? This was my father in laws biggest beef next to terrorism. He has been retired for close to a decade and although he is not the 1%, he is for sure in the 2-3%. I asked him if he was thinking about taking a job at the local car wash or visiting Syria, Afghanistan, or Iraq soon? I haven't seen a white guy cut my grass or dry my car or roof my house or lay brick or stone in at least 25 years. I actually tried to help the Mexican roofers by carrying a bundle of shingle up the ladder and almost had my wife call 911. Is there illegal immigrants working as doctors, dentists, data scientists, engineers, nurses, financial professionals, police, fireman, teachers, computer programmers, IT Specialists, etc?