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It's not going to be okay. A lot of marginalized people are going to be hurt even more, and yes, the people that voted for Trump are racists, sexists, etc., or

It's not going to be okay. A lot of marginalized people are going to be hurt even more, and yes, the people that voted for Trump are racists, sexists, etc., or at the very least they are fine with a president who is all of those things.

balabaster 10y ago
This is not strictly true... I think for a lot of people, this vote represented two main issues: 1. The establishment has long been sticking up for big commercial interests with lobbyists controlling Washington, lining the pockets of the 1% at the cost of those living at or below the poverty line, who struggle to find work and put food on the table every day of their lives. Ever since Wikileaks, sentiment has been growing against this form of corruption, and then Snowden added fuel to the fire, and now this. 2. For better or for worse, Trump represents hope of jobs they can do returning to the country and a way out of the hole. When you have to put food on the table right now, or see your hard earned cash walking out of the door every day into the pockets of the 1% while you struggle - EVERY SINGLE DAY, racism, bigotry and sexism can take a back seat to feeding your kids and keeping a roof over your head - for right or wrong. If I were American, if I lived in America, I couldn't in good conscience have voted for Hillary. I also couldn't in good conscience have voted for racism, bigotry and sexism. But then, as someone in the software industry, I guess I'm part of the 1% and I'll always find a way to be okay. The only way I could have voted in good conscience would have been to vote for myself - an un-nominated candidate with no platform other than try and do what's right by people... and because the electoral college is fucked, it would have been an entirely wasted vote. This was a giant fuck you to the establishment, and on that, I resoundingly agree. But I'm also unhappy that Trump won. With this in mind, with the fact that many have the perception that Trump cannot be bought because Trump only gives a shit about one thing - what Trump wants; and the fact that Hillary's entire platform is held afloat by big commercial interests, I think this vote was already made a long time before the election. Figure out what's good for Trump post presidency, buy stocks in that. You'll be fine. Of course, there's always the 25th Amendment and the CIA standing between here and there... so who knows what the future holds. Either way, I'm gonna need more popcorn.
- davexunit 10y ago
  I will be fine, they aren't trying to take my rights away, but many people won't be fine. Gay people, transgender people, muslims, black people, women, poor people, etc. will all experience serious negative consequences of a Republican controlled government. And let's not forget that the most important issue of all, climate change, has been denied to even exist by Trump.
  - balabaster 10y ago
    I don't disagree with you. Many people won't be fine and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with them against the bullshit they have to go through on a daily basis. But given these things and putting food on the table and feeding their kids every day. What do you think people look to do first? Stand up for their principles, morals and beliefs or feed their kids? The other things can be fixed tomorrow in their minds. I'm not saying I agree that these things should be swept aside, ignored, accepted, everything you state is important and needs to be fixed absolutely. But people care about themselves and their circumstance before their principles. They will satisfy their principles tomorrow once their kids are fed and their bills are paid.
    - ryb73 10y ago
      Which demographic would have been unable to put food on the table under Hillary but not under Trump? Not trying to be snide; I'm genuinely curious.
      - balabaster 10y ago
        It's not about who will or won't it's about perception, for right or wrong. Under Hillary, the perception is that the 1% would continue to get richer and the poor would continue to get poorer while lobbyists continue to control the Government fanning the flames of the perception of Government corruption that runs salt in the wounds of those left fighting tooth and nail for the scraps that are left. Under the Donald, there is an offer of hope that this blusterous bigot who doesn't give a fuck what anyone but he wants himself cannot be bought by the establishment has offered a promise of bringing jobs they can do back home. The masses living in poverty don't give a flying fuck about the 1% who benefit from a lobby controlled Government who's only concern appears to be Wall St. - and nor should they when their primary concern is putting food in their kids mouths. Whether these perceptions are valid or not, whether or not the Donald will make good on these apparently empty promises, these are the perceptions that make up a large part of the country's reality and that is what people voted to fix. So the demographic that perceives they're going to benefit are the 99% that have been left behind by corporate America.
reitanqild 10y ago
> and yes, the people that voted for Trump are racists, sexists, etc., Not a Trump supporter, I don't like him and I live on another continent, but I do not like the way some of you want to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as morally corrupt and divide USA even more. Please guys, for your own good, stop, take a step back and think about why this happened. I argue that if the reason was that 50% of the voters are stupid haters then you would had an real problem long before this election.
- rabboRubble 10y ago
  It isn't a concern about moral corruption with Trump and Trump supporters, it's a concern for physical safety. We've seen Trump enable and condone his supporters assaulting people. Will he reign in the violent supporters? This is what I want to know. To date, he has not.
  - tomp 10y ago
    The DNC leaks show that Democrats also incited violence on Trump rallies. So you didn't really have a choice.
    - rabboRubble 10y ago
      I actually do have a choice. I see behavior like this and I reject it vocally and unequivocally. The guy in the hat [0] is 100% responsible for his own abhorrent behavior. By Trump's own words, Trump expressed a desire to sucker punch somebody at a convention earlier in the campaign cycle [1]. I do not wish to associate myself with Trump or either party at this point. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/23/donald-trump-on-protester-id-like-to-punch-him-in-the-face/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/2...
- mikeash 10y ago
  We did have a real problem long before this election. Now it has finally come to a head.
Miner49er 10y ago
That is simply not true. It's not that black and white. For example, some people had to choose between their livelihoods or voting for Trump. Many of them didn't like his sexism, racism, etc. However, for them, it appeared that the choice was voting for Trump regardless or lose their job, home, and community. I'm sure most of them hope that his racism and sexism won't come into play during the presidency.

balabaster 10y ago

This is not strictly true... I think for a lot of people, this vote represented two main issues: 1. The establishment has long been sticking up for big commercial interests with lobbyists controlling Washington, lining the pockets of the 1% at the cost of those living at or below the poverty line, who struggle to find work and put food on the table every day of their lives. Ever since Wikileaks, sentiment has been growing against this form of corruption, and then Snowden added fuel to the fire, and now this. 2. For better or for worse, Trump represents hope of jobs they can do returning to the country and a way out of the hole. When you have to put food on the table right now, or see your hard earned cash walking out of the door every day into the pockets of the 1% while you struggle - EVERY SINGLE DAY, racism, bigotry and sexism can take a back seat to feeding your kids and keeping a roof over your head - for right or wrong. If I were American, if I lived in America, I couldn't in good conscience have voted for Hillary. I also couldn't in good conscience have voted for racism, bigotry and sexism. But then, as someone in the software industry, I guess I'm part of the 1% and I'll always find a way to be okay. The only way I could have voted in good conscience would have been to vote for myself - an un-nominated candidate with no platform other than try and do what's right by people... and because the electoral college is fucked, it would have been an entirely wasted vote. This was a giant fuck you to the establishment, and on that, I resoundingly agree. But I'm also unhappy that Trump won. With this in mind, with the fact that many have the perception that Trump cannot be bought because Trump only gives a shit about one thing - what Trump wants; and the fact that Hillary's entire platform is held afloat by big commercial interests, I think this vote was already made a long time before the election. Figure out what's good for Trump post presidency, buy stocks in that. You'll be fine. Of course, there's always the 25th Amendment and the CIA standing between here and there... so who knows what the future holds. Either way, I'm gonna need more popcorn.

davexunit 10y ago
I will be fine, they aren't trying to take my rights away, but many people won't be fine. Gay people, transgender people, muslims, black people, women, poor people, etc. will all experience serious negative consequences of a Republican controlled government. And let's not forget that the most important issue of all, climate change, has been denied to even exist by Trump.
- balabaster 10y ago
  I don't disagree with you. Many people won't be fine and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with them against the bullshit they have to go through on a daily basis. But given these things and putting food on the table and feeding their kids every day. What do you think people look to do first? Stand up for their principles, morals and beliefs or feed their kids? The other things can be fixed tomorrow in their minds. I'm not saying I agree that these things should be swept aside, ignored, accepted, everything you state is important and needs to be fixed absolutely. But people care about themselves and their circumstance before their principles. They will satisfy their principles tomorrow once their kids are fed and their bills are paid.
  - ryb73 10y ago
    Which demographic would have been unable to put food on the table under Hillary but not under Trump? Not trying to be snide; I'm genuinely curious.
    - balabaster 10y ago
      It's not about who will or won't it's about perception, for right or wrong. Under Hillary, the perception is that the 1% would continue to get richer and the poor would continue to get poorer while lobbyists continue to control the Government fanning the flames of the perception of Government corruption that runs salt in the wounds of those left fighting tooth and nail for the scraps that are left. Under the Donald, there is an offer of hope that this blusterous bigot who doesn't give a fuck what anyone but he wants himself cannot be bought by the establishment has offered a promise of bringing jobs they can do back home. The masses living in poverty don't give a flying fuck about the 1% who benefit from a lobby controlled Government who's only concern appears to be Wall St. - and nor should they when their primary concern is putting food in their kids mouths. Whether these perceptions are valid or not, whether or not the Donald will make good on these apparently empty promises, these are the perceptions that make up a large part of the country's reality and that is what people voted to fix. So the demographic that perceives they're going to benefit are the 99% that have been left behind by corporate America.

reitanqild 10y ago

> and yes, the people that voted for Trump are racists, sexists, etc., Not a Trump supporter, I don't like him and I live on another continent, but I do not like the way some of you want to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as morally corrupt and divide USA even more. Please guys, for your own good, stop, take a step back and think about why this happened. I argue that if the reason was that 50% of the voters are stupid haters then you would had an real problem long before this election.

rabboRubble 10y ago
It isn't a concern about moral corruption with Trump and Trump supporters, it's a concern for physical safety. We've seen Trump enable and condone his supporters assaulting people. Will he reign in the violent supporters? This is what I want to know. To date, he has not.
- tomp 10y ago
  The DNC leaks show that Democrats also incited violence on Trump rallies. So you didn't really have a choice.
  - rabboRubble 10y ago
    I actually do have a choice. I see behavior like this and I reject it vocally and unequivocally. The guy in the hat [0] is 100% responsible for his own abhorrent behavior. By Trump's own words, Trump expressed a desire to sucker punch somebody at a convention earlier in the campaign cycle [1]. I do not wish to associate myself with Trump or either party at this point. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/23/donald-trump-on-protester-id-like-to-punch-him-in-the-face/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/2...
mikeash 10y ago
We did have a real problem long before this election. Now it has finally come to a head.

Miner49er 10y ago

That is simply not true. It's not that black and white. For example, some people had to choose between their livelihoods or voting for Trump. Many of them didn't like his sexism, racism, etc. However, for them, it appeared that the choice was voting for Trump regardless or lose their job, home, and community. I'm sure most of them hope that his racism and sexism won't come into play during the presidency.