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In 2008, McCain voters were very disappointed but didn't experience the total loss of emotional control I've witnessed last night and this morning. This articl

by nsxwolf 10y ago

In 2008, McCain voters were very disappointed but didn't experience the total loss of emotional control I've witnessed last night and this morning. This article is a rare expression of maturity.

sp332 10y ago
Sorry if I misunderstood, but you're saying maturity means being unemotional?
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Maturity is feeling right emotions at the right time for the right reasons.
  - Volt 10y ago
    Nah, it's expressing the right emotions at the right time for the right reasons.
  - eximius 10y ago
    No? Maturity is about what you DO, not what you feel.
- inimino 10y ago
  Maturity means perspective. This is extremely difficult for everyone after a campaign with as much fear and fear-mongering on both sides. The voices calling for moderation and composure are not unemotional, they may just have a different perspective.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    I don't think the fears we currently face can be dismissed as fear-mongering. When someone says, "My opponent will start a war over a rude gesture," that is fear-mongering. When someone says "I will start a war over a rude gesture," well, I feel like I should believe them.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
      But he's a politician, right. So anything and everything that comes out of his mouth has a 110% likelihood of being nonsense. If he said "I'm going to end homelessness" would you believe him?
      - mikeash 10y ago
        No, but only because that's impossible. Starting a war with Iran is well within his powers.
        TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
        That's a good point. I just feel that when a politician says "I am going to" what they mean is "I will not". Time will tell.
        mikeash 10y ago
        I know what you mean, and sometimes I feel that way too. But I think a lot of it is just overpromising. Politicians promise the moon and stars, when all they have is a tall ladder. It's especially bad with American presidents, who the people see as almost an emperor, but whose power is relatively limited in most areas. It's crazy how many times I saw people say things like, "Trump will cut taxes on..." or "Clinton will raise taxes on...." No they won't, that's Congress's area! But telling the military to sink another country's ships, that is something the president can do....
      - mcphage 10y ago
        > If he said "I'm going to end homelessness" would you believe him? I believe that they would try. Starting a military conflict is well within the abilities of a president, especially when his party has control over both houses of congress and a demonstrated inability to stand up to him.
legodt 10y ago
Yes it's almost as if McCain voters were mostly straight white people with very little to lose with an Obama presidency. Almost as if, say, major portions of the left today are marginalized groups who are now at risk of a Klan backed president.... Funny how that works out
- milankragujevic 10y ago
  http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/ http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/
  - finiter 10y ago
    Robert Byrd left the KKK in the 1940s. Then he spent decades apologising for it, saying he had been wrong, and fighting FOR Civil Rights. THe NAACP said this of Byrd when he died: "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country."[1] Does this really compare to Trump's support from the KKK and his resistance to rejecting them? 1: https://donate.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passing-of-u.s.-senator-robert-byrd/ https://donate.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passin...
    - nsxwolf 10y ago
      It doesn't compare. A Republican who was once in the KKK would never be forgiven no matter how many decades went by. And you aren't responsible for who endorses you. Trump doesn't actually believe in white supremacy, so a KKK endorsement is meaningless and it's a logical fallacy to say otherwise. If the KKK endorsed carrot cake, carrot cake would not suddenly be bad. Unless it's the kind with the overly sweetened frosting they serve in cafeterias. With the little orange and green frosting carrot on top.
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- FT_intern 10y ago

by nsxwolf 10y ago

In 2008, McCain voters were very disappointed but didn't experience the total loss of emotional control I've witnessed last night and this morning. This article is a rare expression of maturity.

sp332 10y ago

Sorry if I misunderstood, but you're saying maturity means being unemotional?

TeMPOraL 10y ago
Maturity is feeling right emotions at the right time for the right reasons.
- Volt 10y ago
  Nah, it's expressing the right emotions at the right time for the right reasons.
- eximius 10y ago
  No? Maturity is about what you DO, not what you feel.
inimino 10y ago
Maturity means perspective. This is extremely difficult for everyone after a campaign with as much fear and fear-mongering on both sides. The voices calling for moderation and composure are not unemotional, they may just have a different perspective.
- mikeash 10y ago
  I don't think the fears we currently face can be dismissed as fear-mongering. When someone says, "My opponent will start a war over a rude gesture," that is fear-mongering. When someone says "I will start a war over a rude gesture," well, I feel like I should believe them.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
    But he's a politician, right. So anything and everything that comes out of his mouth has a 110% likelihood of being nonsense. If he said "I'm going to end homelessness" would you believe him?
    - mikeash 10y ago
      No, but only because that's impossible. Starting a war with Iran is well within his powers.
      - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
        That's a good point. I just feel that when a politician says "I am going to" what they mean is "I will not". Time will tell.
        mikeash 10y ago
        I know what you mean, and sometimes I feel that way too. But I think a lot of it is just overpromising. Politicians promise the moon and stars, when all they have is a tall ladder. It's especially bad with American presidents, who the people see as almost an emperor, but whose power is relatively limited in most areas. It's crazy how many times I saw people say things like, "Trump will cut taxes on..." or "Clinton will raise taxes on...." No they won't, that's Congress's area! But telling the military to sink another country's ships, that is something the president can do....
    - mcphage 10y ago
      > If he said "I'm going to end homelessness" would you believe him? I believe that they would try. Starting a military conflict is well within the abilities of a president, especially when his party has control over both houses of congress and a demonstrated inability to stand up to him.

legodt 10y ago

Yes it's almost as if McCain voters were mostly straight white people with very little to lose with an Obama presidency. Almost as if, say, major portions of the left today are marginalized groups who are now at risk of a Klan backed president.... Funny how that works out

milankragujevic 10y ago
http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/ http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/
- finiter 10y ago
  Robert Byrd left the KKK in the 1940s. Then he spent decades apologising for it, saying he had been wrong, and fighting FOR Civil Rights. THe NAACP said this of Byrd when he died: "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country."[1] Does this really compare to Trump's support from the KKK and his resistance to rejecting them? 1: https://donate.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passing-of-u.s.-senator-robert-byrd/ https://donate.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passin...
  - nsxwolf 10y ago
    It doesn't compare. A Republican who was once in the KKK would never be forgiven no matter how many decades went by. And you aren't responsible for who endorses you. Trump doesn't actually believe in white supremacy, so a KKK endorsement is meaningless and it's a logical fallacy to say otherwise. If the KKK endorsed carrot cake, carrot cake would not suddenly be bad. Unless it's the kind with the overly sweetened frosting they serve in cafeterias. With the little orange and green frosting carrot on top.
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FT_intern 10y ago