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Ctrl - F Sanders 0 results. Hadn't Hilary been dishonest and, as much as I hate the word, crooked enough to not allow Bernie to face Trump, this wouldn't have

Ctrl - F Sanders 0 results. Hadn't Hilary been dishonest and, as much as I hate the word, crooked enough to not allow Bernie to face Trump, this wouldn't have happened.

pja 10y ago
Yup. I could also see an Elizabeth Warren / Joe Biden ticket doing well against Trump. This article in Current Affairs turns out to be prophetic: http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrat...
- snarf21 10y ago
  Even Clinton/Warren or Clinton/Sanders would probably have won.
gthtjtkt 10y ago
WikiLeaks summed it up pretty well: > By biasing its internal electoral market the DNC selected the less competitive candidate defeating the purpose of running a primary. Hillary, the DNC, and all their cronies deserved this. I would've voted for any Democrat who won the primary fair and square, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who stole an election (and from one of the most well-liked candidates of all time, no less). Many of my friends felt the same way -- they either stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted without selecting a presidential candidate. The fact that they tried to bully/guilt everyone into voting for her didn't help much either.
- lern_too_spel 10y ago
  How did she steal the election, and how was her opponent, who received nearly 4 million fewer votes, one of the most well-liked candidates of all time? The data does not support your story.
  - chillacy 10y ago
    Tough to get more votes when the entire DNC is working against you: http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/ http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rig...
    - lern_too_spel 10y ago
      That email chain was about how to deal with Sanders attacking the DNC for enforcing pre-agreed-upon rules in the Nevada convention. It had nothing to do with working against Sanders and everything to do with stopping Sanders from attacking the party heads for following the rules. http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff...
      - chillacy 10y ago
        I assume you're referencing this one: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5508 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5508 But that article I linked is literally full of email chains which show the DNC clearly favoring Clinton. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows-mechanics-of-a-slanted-campaign-w430814 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows... The DNC played favorites from the beginning, and sanders supporters aren't too thrilled. Let's not forget that the DNC chief resigned over this.
        lern_too_spel 10y ago
        Both of these links are about the same email chain that I already explained above in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915266. Which email shows the DNC helping Clinton win the primary? They would have every reason to favor the candidate from their own party, but the emails show that they played it fairly. Moreover, none of the emails show the Clinton campaign influencing the DNC to rig the election, which is what was originally claimed (that she somehow stole the primaries to the tune of a 4 million vote victory).
andreyf 10y ago
Or Biden / Warren. Would have been a slam dunk. Le sigh.
lern_too_spel 10y ago
In what way was Clinton dishonest and crooked enough to prevent Sanders from facing Trump? It was Sanders's 4 million vote deficit in the primaries that did that.

Ctrl - F Sanders 0 results. Hadn't Hilary been dishonest and, as much as I hate the word, crooked enough to not allow Bernie to face Trump, this wouldn't have happened.

pja 10y ago

Yup. I could also see an Elizabeth Warren / Joe Biden ticket doing well against Trump. This article in Current Affairs turns out to be prophetic: http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrat...

snarf21 10y ago
Even Clinton/Warren or Clinton/Sanders would probably have won.

gthtjtkt 10y ago

WikiLeaks summed it up pretty well: > By biasing its internal electoral market the DNC selected the less competitive candidate defeating the purpose of running a primary. Hillary, the DNC, and all their cronies deserved this. I would've voted for any Democrat who won the primary fair and square, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who stole an election (and from one of the most well-liked candidates of all time, no less). Many of my friends felt the same way -- they either stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted without selecting a presidential candidate. The fact that they tried to bully/guilt everyone into voting for her didn't help much either.

lern_too_spel 10y ago
How did she steal the election, and how was her opponent, who received nearly 4 million fewer votes, one of the most well-liked candidates of all time? The data does not support your story.
- chillacy 10y ago
  Tough to get more votes when the entire DNC is working against you: http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/ http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rig...
  - lern_too_spel 10y ago
    That email chain was about how to deal with Sanders attacking the DNC for enforcing pre-agreed-upon rules in the Nevada convention. It had nothing to do with working against Sanders and everything to do with stopping Sanders from attacking the party heads for following the rules. http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff...
    - chillacy 10y ago
      I assume you're referencing this one: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5508 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5508 But that article I linked is literally full of email chains which show the DNC clearly favoring Clinton. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows-mechanics-of-a-slanted-campaign-w430814 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows... The DNC played favorites from the beginning, and sanders supporters aren't too thrilled. Let's not forget that the DNC chief resigned over this.
      - lern_too_spel 10y ago
        Both of these links are about the same email chain that I already explained above in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915266. Which email shows the DNC helping Clinton win the primary? They would have every reason to favor the candidate from their own party, but the emails show that they played it fairly. Moreover, none of the emails show the Clinton campaign influencing the DNC to rig the election, which is what was originally claimed (that she somehow stole the primaries to the tune of a 4 million vote victory).

andreyf 10y ago

Or Biden / Warren. Would have been a slam dunk. Le sigh.

lern_too_spel 10y ago

In what way was Clinton dishonest and crooked enough to prevent Sanders from facing Trump? It was Sanders's 4 million vote deficit in the primaries that did that.