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The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. We will keep moving forward. We have systemic issues we need to address in the country and if they don't get

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. We will keep moving forward. We have systemic issues we need to address in the country and if they don't get addressed in this cycle it'll get worse in the next. We have major income inequality. We have an issue with tax avoidance and we have a problem with US Companies dumping workers for foreign labor. We also have a healthcare issue that needs to be solved. I doubt this Republican majority will be able to touch any of it but these are still problems and will remain so until we find a solution.

webkike 10y ago
The issue I have is that most of our progress will be undone. The Paris Climate Accord rejected. Obamacare dismantled. Dodd Frank repealed. It's easier to destroy the world than it is to save it.
- tedajax 10y ago
  Not even mentioning the existential crisis we face knowing that Donald J. Trump, a man who has stated the most important thing in life is to get even, has his finger on the nuclear button and there's nothing any of us can do to stop him.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  As this election shows many in the middle class aren't fans of Obamacare. Maybe it isn't a boon to them as many people claim. The middle class are finding high deducable plans that increase in price by 25% each year and when it becomes too unaffordable for them, they are forced to drop it and they are fined. You'd be pissed off too.
  - webkike 10y ago
    Sure but I don't think the solution is to get rid of Obamacare, the solution is to fix it. And even getting rid of only Obamacare would be preferable compared to all the damage he could do.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      The Democrats passed the ACA essentially without any Republican support. They had the power to create almost any bill they wanted. Why would anyone reasonably believe they would fix it? It is functioning exactly as designed and is enriching their donors as expected.
      - webkike 10y ago
        The ACA was passed with a dem majority. They did not have that after the first two years
        mikeash 10y ago
        They really only had control for a couple of months. Abuse of the filibuster meant that they needed 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. With Kennedy sick and Al Franken's election disputed, they didn't have 60 votes initially. After Kennedy died, the special election was won by a Republican, so they really only had 60 votes while Kennedy's interim replacement was in office. The ACA is what could be haphazardly slapped together and passed in that brief time.
- ryanx435 10y ago
  good. except for the climate accord, that should stay. but obamacare is a disaster and dodd frank sucks.
mikeash 10y ago
Until the sun is obscured by vast clouds of dust as we sink into nuclear winter. That probably won't happen, but it honestly worries me. The guy is far too unstable and vindictive for the kind of responsibility he's being handed. If not that, then after all the talk of not accepting the election results, I'm worried he won't go quietly once his term or terms are over, or that he'll set a precedent for the next guy to work outside the system. If it were just policy differences, no matter how deep, I wouldn't be a tenth as worried as I am.
- ryanx435 10y ago
  Its crazy to me how different the information bubbles you and I exist in are: Everything I've seen over the course of this election pointed to Clinton being the one who would likely start WW3 and end the world in armageddon, while it would seem that you believe the exact opposite. interesting.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    The basis for saying that about Clinton seems to be her somewhat more interventionist stance regarding places like Syria and Libya. My basis for saying it about Trump is his extreme insecurity, and saying things like "When you're in business, you get even with people that screw you. And you screw them 15 times harder." or "And by the way, with Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures that our people -- that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water." It sure looks to me that the things people say about Clinton are mostly inferences they've drawn, whereas the things people say about Trump are just things Trump said.

webkike 10y ago

The issue I have is that most of our progress will be undone. The Paris Climate Accord rejected. Obamacare dismantled. Dodd Frank repealed. It's easier to destroy the world than it is to save it.

tedajax 10y ago
Not even mentioning the existential crisis we face knowing that Donald J. Trump, a man who has stated the most important thing in life is to get even, has his finger on the nuclear button and there's nothing any of us can do to stop him.
cmdrfred 10y ago
As this election shows many in the middle class aren't fans of Obamacare. Maybe it isn't a boon to them as many people claim. The middle class are finding high deducable plans that increase in price by 25% each year and when it becomes too unaffordable for them, they are forced to drop it and they are fined. You'd be pissed off too.
- webkike 10y ago
  Sure but I don't think the solution is to get rid of Obamacare, the solution is to fix it. And even getting rid of only Obamacare would be preferable compared to all the damage he could do.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    The Democrats passed the ACA essentially without any Republican support. They had the power to create almost any bill they wanted. Why would anyone reasonably believe they would fix it? It is functioning exactly as designed and is enriching their donors as expected.
    - webkike 10y ago
      The ACA was passed with a dem majority. They did not have that after the first two years
      - mikeash 10y ago
        They really only had control for a couple of months. Abuse of the filibuster meant that they needed 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. With Kennedy sick and Al Franken's election disputed, they didn't have 60 votes initially. After Kennedy died, the special election was won by a Republican, so they really only had 60 votes while Kennedy's interim replacement was in office. The ACA is what could be haphazardly slapped together and passed in that brief time.
ryanx435 10y ago
good. except for the climate accord, that should stay. but obamacare is a disaster and dodd frank sucks.

mikeash 10y ago

Until the sun is obscured by vast clouds of dust as we sink into nuclear winter. That probably won't happen, but it honestly worries me. The guy is far too unstable and vindictive for the kind of responsibility he's being handed. If not that, then after all the talk of not accepting the election results, I'm worried he won't go quietly once his term or terms are over, or that he'll set a precedent for the next guy to work outside the system. If it were just policy differences, no matter how deep, I wouldn't be a tenth as worried as I am.

ryanx435 10y ago
Its crazy to me how different the information bubbles you and I exist in are: Everything I've seen over the course of this election pointed to Clinton being the one who would likely start WW3 and end the world in armageddon, while it would seem that you believe the exact opposite. interesting.
- mikeash 10y ago
  The basis for saying that about Clinton seems to be her somewhat more interventionist stance regarding places like Syria and Libya. My basis for saying it about Trump is his extreme insecurity, and saying things like "When you're in business, you get even with people that screw you. And you screw them 15 times harder." or "And by the way, with Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures that our people -- that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water." It sure looks to me that the things people say about Clinton are mostly inferences they've drawn, whereas the things people say about Trump are just things Trump said.