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This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four y

This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

jhanschoo 10y ago
Considering that so many of Trump's promises are infeasible, I'm wondering what Trump will actually do in office.
- _audakel 10y ago
  Maybe he will more or less admit that alot of it was just theatrics, and he will go on to be a sane[ish] human being and normal[ish] POTUS
  - md_ 10y ago
    One hopes. But people did vote for whom he appeared to be. Even if it was an act, that is, to me, a scary thought.
    - chronic6l 10y ago
      The world is a scary place. Did you not know that? Bullies, liars, and cheaters win. That's the unfortunate truth.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    And maybe I'll get a pony. And even if that somehow happens, those scenes from his rallies are not going away. The videos of people cheering racist rhetoric, cheering the idea of an entire religion being banned from the country, the idea of not giving a shit that someone confessed to sexual assault, is not going away. If anything, it's going to flourish.
    - deleted 10y ago
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    - knowaveragejoe 10y ago
      This is what I fear the most. The rise of alt-right rhetoric making it's way into the mainstream. I guess the pendulum had to swing away from talk of global unity and progress and towards isolationism at some point - I just hope it swings back the other way before it's too late.
      - rayiner 10y ago
        You do realize when you're talking about "global unity" that almost the whole rest of the world is more racist and sexist than the US, right? I come from a Muslim country. Replace "Muslims" with "Jews" and the worst things said at a Trump rally would be socially acceptable where I am from.
        knowaveragejoe 10y ago
        That's a shame, though I doubt you could objectively quantify and compare the sort of racism and sexism here with that of another given nation except at a surface level.
        rayiner 10y ago
        You don't even need an objective measure. It's so deeply ingrained people don't even think about it. For example, Americans will refer to someone from another country by their nationality. "He's Canadian" or "he's German." In Bangladesh, everyone not from Bangladesh is "bideshi"--"foreigner." And if you're "bideshi" you'll never be "Bangladeshi." A white person can live in Bangladesh their whole life and never be "from there." But at least they generally respect white people. Hang around an immigrant community somewhere like Toronto and get folks talking about black people or Jewish people. Ask a girl's parents about how they would feel about her marrying a black person. You won't get a more negative reaction anywhere in Alabama. As to the issue of sexism--I don't think it even needs saying.
  - itchyouch 10y ago
    You don't think the checks and balances built into congress and the supreme court basically force him to be a normalish POTUS?
    - logicalmind 10y ago
      The checks and balances are a republican controlled congress (House and Senate). And a supreme court where republicans will be able to select a majority of the members. The only check and balance left is via a Democratic filibuster.
- knieveltech 10y ago
  Act as an unfiltered pass-through for the house most likely.
- snuxoll 10y ago
  Considering the majority in the house and senate, day 1 the ACA is going to get repealed - millions will lose their health coverage, and my employer's profitability is going to tank as a result as an increase of patients coming into the ER can't pay their medical bills and we end up sending them to collections before eventually writing it off.
  - pavlov 10y ago
    It is highly telling that pharma stocks are strongly up following the Trump victory. Investors believe that drug prices and healthcare costs will reap increasing profits to shareholders in the next four years.
  - TearsInTheRain 10y ago
    millions lost their health coverage when premiums and deductibles skyrocketed
    - MaysonL 10y ago
      At present, there are millions more people with health insurance in the USA than before Romneycare became the law of the land. Especially in the states that implemented the Medicaid expansion provisions.
      - snuxoll 10y ago
        The Medicaid expansion is a particular sore spot if the ACA gets repealed, a majority of our physicians are in California where Medi-Cal has had gobs of funding and covered an expanded population well before the ACA was implemented - but for those in states that did rely on the expansion funding I expect our collection rates are going to plummet as Medicaid patients continue to make up a large majority of those that utilize emergency department and urgent care facilities. There's going to be a lot of people losing Medicaid if this happens that will become self-pay (aka, no money) patients. Not a good time to be in the billing industry.
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
- discordianfish 10y ago
  The same he always does: Blaming things on others. This is what worries me the most: Trump won't get anything done but blame it, yet again, on some minority. And, yet again, chances are people will believe him.
mc32 10y ago
I think this is a bit dismissive of the issue --and the thinking that sunk the Hillary's campaign. In terms of trade, the US typically like to pay it forward --it lets trade partners have a slight advantage so long as it sees a net positive (see China) presumably Trump would ask for equal benefits. So rather than asking is this good for the global economy his administration might instead ask, is this good for the US economy? While the answer to the questions often overlap, at times the current answer does not optimize of the US economy.
- eru 10y ago
  > In terms of trade, the US typically like to pay it forward --it lets trade partners have a slight advantage so long as it sees a net positive (see China) presumably Trump would ask for equal benefits. That's a weird language. It's to the best benefit of the country to just adopt unilateral free trade. No need to bargain. Of course, politically, that's not feasible. But there's no `benefit' that comes at a cost to the country when allowing your citizens to freely trade with other countries citizens.
  - mc32 10y ago
    >It's to the best benefit of the country to just adopt unilateral free trade. No need to bargain I'm not seeing Brazil, Japan or China adopt this philosophy --even the EU. If you were to start unilateral free trade what happens is others will protect themselves and you are left holding the deficit bag. Your consumers will be happy (yay consumerism!), but your wage-earners will not be happy.
    - eru 10y ago
      Deficits don't work that way.. If people want to give us goods and services in exchange for green bills that we can print at will, all the better.
      - mc32 10y ago
        Obviously Brazil, China, Japan and the EU agree with you, they all love trade imbalances, dont they!
micahbright 10y ago
It didn't help that while he was "bullshitting", Hillary was calling them deplorable. Empathy for the win.
- _audakel 10y ago
  Reminds me of romneys infomous 47% remark. Seems like there is a geuine disconnect btwn current pollitical class and the "silent majority"
  - dopamean 10y ago
    Very true and worth remembering for anyone planning to run for elected office in the future.
  - knz 10y ago
    Hillary won the popular vote - I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "silent majority" for a candidate that lost the popular vote?
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
      We don't use the popular vote for anything in the US. It's a completely meaningless metric.
      - finiter 10y ago
        Your statement does not provide support for their being a silent majority for Trump. But I hope people consider what you said when someone talks about how Hillary or the media or whatever is part of the corrupt "Establishment".
        CamperBob2 10y ago
        It doesn't matter whether there was a "silent majority" for Trump or anyone else because we don't attach any importance to a majority vote at the national level. Nor should we. If we did, three metropolitan areas in New York and California would dictate the outcomes of our Presidential elections. But I hope people consider what you said when someone talks about how Hillary or the media or whatever is part of the corrupt "Establishment". That, on the other hand, is no longer questionable. https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=pied+piper+candidates+wikileaks https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=pied+piper+candidates+wik...
tengbretson 10y ago
Maybe these people would rather be lied to by a con artist than to be made the punchline of every joke by every liberal blogger, pundit and late night host on a daily basis. This election taught us that one of the parties is peddling very divisive rhetoric, and it's not the one you may think it is.
LyndsySimon 10y ago
In my experience, those people aren't looking to Trump to "fix" their problems. As you said, in many cases those jobs simply aren't coming back. The difference is that Trump said "I'll do everything I can to put things back together" (while not making any specific promises), while Clinton said "You're sexist and deplorable if you vote for that guy". Trump recognized that the problems existed. He was the first presidential candidate to do even that.

jhanschoo 10y ago

Considering that so many of Trump's promises are infeasible, I'm wondering what Trump will actually do in office.

_audakel 10y ago
Maybe he will more or less admit that alot of it was just theatrics, and he will go on to be a sane[ish] human being and normal[ish] POTUS
- md_ 10y ago
  One hopes. But people did vote for whom he appeared to be. Even if it was an act, that is, to me, a scary thought.
  - chronic6l 10y ago
    The world is a scary place. Did you not know that? Bullies, liars, and cheaters win. That's the unfortunate truth.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  And maybe I'll get a pony. And even if that somehow happens, those scenes from his rallies are not going away. The videos of people cheering racist rhetoric, cheering the idea of an entire religion being banned from the country, the idea of not giving a shit that someone confessed to sexual assault, is not going away. If anything, it's going to flourish.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - knowaveragejoe 10y ago
    This is what I fear the most. The rise of alt-right rhetoric making it's way into the mainstream. I guess the pendulum had to swing away from talk of global unity and progress and towards isolationism at some point - I just hope it swings back the other way before it's too late.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      You do realize when you're talking about "global unity" that almost the whole rest of the world is more racist and sexist than the US, right? I come from a Muslim country. Replace "Muslims" with "Jews" and the worst things said at a Trump rally would be socially acceptable where I am from.
      - knowaveragejoe 10y ago
        That's a shame, though I doubt you could objectively quantify and compare the sort of racism and sexism here with that of another given nation except at a surface level.
        rayiner 10y ago
        You don't even need an objective measure. It's so deeply ingrained people don't even think about it. For example, Americans will refer to someone from another country by their nationality. "He's Canadian" or "he's German." In Bangladesh, everyone not from Bangladesh is "bideshi"--"foreigner." And if you're "bideshi" you'll never be "Bangladeshi." A white person can live in Bangladesh their whole life and never be "from there." But at least they generally respect white people. Hang around an immigrant community somewhere like Toronto and get folks talking about black people or Jewish people. Ask a girl's parents about how they would feel about her marrying a black person. You won't get a more negative reaction anywhere in Alabama. As to the issue of sexism--I don't think it even needs saying.
- itchyouch 10y ago
  You don't think the checks and balances built into congress and the supreme court basically force him to be a normalish POTUS?
  - logicalmind 10y ago
    The checks and balances are a republican controlled congress (House and Senate). And a supreme court where republicans will be able to select a majority of the members. The only check and balance left is via a Democratic filibuster.
knieveltech 10y ago
Act as an unfiltered pass-through for the house most likely.
snuxoll 10y ago
Considering the majority in the house and senate, day 1 the ACA is going to get repealed - millions will lose their health coverage, and my employer's profitability is going to tank as a result as an increase of patients coming into the ER can't pay their medical bills and we end up sending them to collections before eventually writing it off.
- pavlov 10y ago
  It is highly telling that pharma stocks are strongly up following the Trump victory. Investors believe that drug prices and healthcare costs will reap increasing profits to shareholders in the next four years.
- TearsInTheRain 10y ago
  millions lost their health coverage when premiums and deductibles skyrocketed
  - MaysonL 10y ago
    At present, there are millions more people with health insurance in the USA than before Romneycare became the law of the land. Especially in the states that implemented the Medicaid expansion provisions.
    - snuxoll 10y ago
      The Medicaid expansion is a particular sore spot if the ACA gets repealed, a majority of our physicians are in California where Medi-Cal has had gobs of funding and covered an expanded population well before the ACA was implemented - but for those in states that did rely on the expansion funding I expect our collection rates are going to plummet as Medicaid patients continue to make up a large majority of those that utilize emergency department and urgent care facilities. There's going to be a lot of people losing Medicaid if this happens that will become self-pay (aka, no money) patients. Not a good time to be in the billing industry.
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
discordianfish 10y ago
The same he always does: Blaming things on others. This is what worries me the most: Trump won't get anything done but blame it, yet again, on some minority. And, yet again, chances are people will believe him.

mc32 10y ago

I think this is a bit dismissive of the issue --and the thinking that sunk the Hillary's campaign. In terms of trade, the US typically like to pay it forward --it lets trade partners have a slight advantage so long as it sees a net positive (see China) presumably Trump would ask for equal benefits. So rather than asking is this good for the global economy his administration might instead ask, is this good for the US economy? While the answer to the questions often overlap, at times the current answer does not optimize of the US economy.

eru 10y ago
> In terms of trade, the US typically like to pay it forward --it lets trade partners have a slight advantage so long as it sees a net positive (see China) presumably Trump would ask for equal benefits. That's a weird language. It's to the best benefit of the country to just adopt unilateral free trade. No need to bargain. Of course, politically, that's not feasible. But there's no `benefit' that comes at a cost to the country when allowing your citizens to freely trade with other countries citizens.
- mc32 10y ago
  >It's to the best benefit of the country to just adopt unilateral free trade. No need to bargain I'm not seeing Brazil, Japan or China adopt this philosophy --even the EU. If you were to start unilateral free trade what happens is others will protect themselves and you are left holding the deficit bag. Your consumers will be happy (yay consumerism!), but your wage-earners will not be happy.
  - eru 10y ago
    Deficits don't work that way.. If people want to give us goods and services in exchange for green bills that we can print at will, all the better.
    - mc32 10y ago
      Obviously Brazil, China, Japan and the EU agree with you, they all love trade imbalances, dont they!

micahbright 10y ago

It didn't help that while he was "bullshitting", Hillary was calling them deplorable. Empathy for the win.

_audakel 10y ago
Reminds me of romneys infomous 47% remark. Seems like there is a geuine disconnect btwn current pollitical class and the "silent majority"
- dopamean 10y ago
  Very true and worth remembering for anyone planning to run for elected office in the future.
- knz 10y ago
  Hillary won the popular vote - I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "silent majority" for a candidate that lost the popular vote?
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    We don't use the popular vote for anything in the US. It's a completely meaningless metric.
    - finiter 10y ago
      Your statement does not provide support for their being a silent majority for Trump. But I hope people consider what you said when someone talks about how Hillary or the media or whatever is part of the corrupt "Establishment".
      - CamperBob2 10y ago
        It doesn't matter whether there was a "silent majority" for Trump or anyone else because we don't attach any importance to a majority vote at the national level. Nor should we. If we did, three metropolitan areas in New York and California would dictate the outcomes of our Presidential elections. But I hope people consider what you said when someone talks about how Hillary or the media or whatever is part of the corrupt "Establishment". That, on the other hand, is no longer questionable. https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=pied+piper+candidates+wikileaks https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=pied+piper+candidates+wik...

tengbretson 10y ago

Maybe these people would rather be lied to by a con artist than to be made the punchline of every joke by every liberal blogger, pundit and late night host on a daily basis. This election taught us that one of the parties is peddling very divisive rhetoric, and it's not the one you may think it is.

LyndsySimon 10y ago

In my experience, those people aren't looking to Trump to "fix" their problems. As you said, in many cases those jobs simply aren't coming back. The difference is that Trump said "I'll do everything I can to put things back together" (while not making any specific promises), while Clinton said "You're sexist and deplorable if you vote for that guy". Trump recognized that the problems existed. He was the first presidential candidate to do even that.