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Tread carefully; while I suspect most of Europe doesn't care too much about Trump, the media and rest of the left wing in the UK labelled anyone pro-Brexit as u

by cs02rm0 10y ago

Tread carefully; while I suspect most of Europe doesn't care too much about Trump, the media and rest of the left wing in the UK labelled anyone pro-Brexit as ultra-right wing / neo Nazi types - they're still being called uneducated and racist by presenters on TV as I'm typing this. Then the vote for Brexit won a majority. They're not all scum at the extreme end of a political spectrum. If France goes down the same naive, name-calling route Le Pen will surely be next to capitalise on it.

padraic7a 10y ago
The media are not the left. While individual publications might be exceptions to the rule generally the media are to the right of centre in Europe.
- throwaway1892 10y ago
  I don't where you get that from, but in France, most of the media are left-center left, with a few to the right.
  - janoc 10y ago
    That's what you get when you generalize over all media and, especially, not knowing any of them. European media are on both sides of the aisle, you will find both left and right leaning ones, including crazy tabloids. However, what you likely won't find is something like Fox News, with conspiracy theory pushing nutcases being regulars there. BTW, this theory about a "media conspiracy" is not new, nor something that Trump or Putin invented. Lügenpresse ("lying press") is a term widely popularized by (not invented) and mostly associated with National Socialists in Germany - in Hitler's Mein Kampf, for example. Most people parroting this unfortunately don't care - anyone having a different view has to be a part of some complot or aiding the "enemy" (whoever that happens to be).
- gspetr 10y ago
  > The media are not the left. They most definitely are. Consider the media closely working with the White House now, Obama's "entourage". Not one of them is Republican.
janoc 10y ago
Read carefully what I wrote. I didn't write that supporters were "scum" or "nazis". However, do check who was the first to congratulate and cheer Trump's victory: Nigel Farage - former head of UKIP in UK, a party with extreme right wing history and some of the most vile and xenophobic rhetorics during the recent Brexit campaign. Marine Le Pen - head of the French Front National, another extreme right party, with documented history of antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and outright neo-nazi tendencies. Their former leader (Le Pen the elder) famously said that holocaust was only "a detail of history", even going as far as joking about not enough Jews going up in smoke ... Geert Wilders - the Dutch extreme right politician, well known for his anti-Europe and anti foreigner views Victor Orban - the authoritarian prime minister of Hungary, known for his xenophobic policies, coalition government with the neo-nazi Jobbik party and negative views on liberal democracy - which he is successfully dismantling in Hungary. With Le Pen I am afraid you could be right - here in France she has consistently around 30-40% of support already and a lot of people see her as a saviour against the "Arabs" (mostly people of North African descent - Moroccans and Algerians, both legaly and illegaly here and, by extension, all muslims), which are despised by many. The recent terrorist attacks and incompetent governments didn't help neither, but the animosity goes deeper and longer back than that. However, the French system of presidential elections works differently than in the US, with two rounds where the 2 strongest candidates qualifying into the second round. She will likely lose there, because the racist, antisemitic past of her party is unpalatable to many. On the other hand, if the major parties don't put forward a sensible and popular candidate, anything could happen ...

by cs02rm0 10y ago

padraic7a 10y ago

The media are not the left. While individual publications might be exceptions to the rule generally the media are to the right of centre in Europe.

throwaway1892 10y ago
I don't where you get that from, but in France, most of the media are left-center left, with a few to the right.
- janoc 10y ago
  That's what you get when you generalize over all media and, especially, not knowing any of them. European media are on both sides of the aisle, you will find both left and right leaning ones, including crazy tabloids. However, what you likely won't find is something like Fox News, with conspiracy theory pushing nutcases being regulars there. BTW, this theory about a "media conspiracy" is not new, nor something that Trump or Putin invented. Lügenpresse ("lying press") is a term widely popularized by (not invented) and mostly associated with National Socialists in Germany - in Hitler's Mein Kampf, for example. Most people parroting this unfortunately don't care - anyone having a different view has to be a part of some complot or aiding the "enemy" (whoever that happens to be).
gspetr 10y ago
> The media are not the left. They most definitely are. Consider the media closely working with the White House now, Obama's "entourage". Not one of them is Republican.

janoc 10y ago

Read carefully what I wrote. I didn't write that supporters were "scum" or "nazis". However, do check who was the first to congratulate and cheer Trump's victory: Nigel Farage - former head of UKIP in UK, a party with extreme right wing history and some of the most vile and xenophobic rhetorics during the recent Brexit campaign. Marine Le Pen - head of the French Front National, another extreme right party, with documented history of antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and outright neo-nazi tendencies. Their former leader (Le Pen the elder) famously said that holocaust was only "a detail of history", even going as far as joking about not enough Jews going up in smoke ... Geert Wilders - the Dutch extreme right politician, well known for his anti-Europe and anti foreigner views Victor Orban - the authoritarian prime minister of Hungary, known for his xenophobic policies, coalition government with the neo-nazi Jobbik party and negative views on liberal democracy - which he is successfully dismantling in Hungary. With Le Pen I am afraid you could be right - here in France she has consistently around 30-40% of support already and a lot of people see her as a saviour against the "Arabs" (mostly people of North African descent - Moroccans and Algerians, both legaly and illegaly here and, by extension, all muslims), which are despised by many. The recent terrorist attacks and incompetent governments didn't help neither, but the animosity goes deeper and longer back than that. However, the French system of presidential elections works differently than in the US, with two rounds where the 2 strongest candidates qualifying into the second round. She will likely lose there, because the racist, antisemitic past of her party is unpalatable to many. On the other hand, if the major parties don't put forward a sensible and popular candidate, anything could happen ...