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I want to agree with you but Muslims are not a race. Neither are Mexicans for that matter. And being Islamaphobic and xenophobic genuinely is different from bei

I want to agree with you but Muslims are not a race. Neither are Mexicans for that matter. And being Islamaphobic and xenophobic genuinely is different from being racist. Perhaps not very different, but different nonetheless. N.B. The chant you mention was in fact a hoax.

foldr 10y ago
It's worth bearing in mind that the US is a much more racialized society than the UK. We don't think of 'Mexican' or 'Muslim' as racial categories. But they de facto are racial categories in the US. That may not be very logical, but then neither are most Trump supporters. How many of them do you think are able to carefully parse the distinctions between 'Latino', 'Mexican' and 'illegal brown person'? And of course, racism very often comes wrapped up in other prejudices which are thought (rightly or wrongly) to be more respectable. All of the groups Trump has targeted are groups that just so happen to consist mostly of people who aren't white. They're the groups that, in the public imagination, are responsible for the loss of an imagined homogenous White America. Trump can't say "I want a white America". But the people who do want this haven't had any difficulty picking up on his hints.
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  >How many of them do you think are able to carefully parse the distinctions between 'Latino', 'Mexican' and 'illegal brown person'? And yet, Trump supporters understands that Mexican and Muslims are not a race. Hence, why they think Trump is not racist. >Trump can't say "I want a white America". But the people who do want this haven't had any difficulty picking up on his hints. Now you're just making up things in your mind about Trump and Trump supporters, and then accusing them of it.
  - foldr 10y ago
    > Trump supporters understands that Mexican and Muslims are not a race. Hence, why they think Trump is not racist. So they think he's xenophobic and religiously bigoted instead? How is that better? >Now you're just making up things in your mind about Trump and Trump supporters, and then accusing them of it. I'm not making up the fact that white supremacists supported Trump.
    - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
      >So they think he's xenophobic and religiously bigoted instead? How is that better? He is not against all immigrants. He is ONLY against ILLEGAL immigrants. He still supports LEGAL immigrants from all over the world. Also, he is not against the Islamic religion. He is just against immigration from countries with known ties to terrorism. >I'm not making up the fact that white supremacists supported Trump. The KKK also supports Hillary too, so that's just the typical election rhetoric you see every four years. These are misconceptions by people who have not listened to Trump's rally speeches. They only hear a small part of the quotes without the context and form these misconceptions about him. And now, they're shocked and confused to find that the majority of the country supports him.
      - pmyteh 10y ago
        > Also, he is not against the Islamic religion. He is just against immigration from countries with known ties to terrorism. He expressly called for all Muslims to be barred from the United States. I'm afraid that claiming he's "not against the Islamic religion" is not a fact-based argument.
        DefaultUserHN 10y ago
        Which he also later clarified to meant immigrants from countries with direct ties to terrorism. And TEMPORARY only, until they can figure something out, like a vetting program, from those countries with direct ties to terrorism. He wants to protect everyone from terrorism. Yes, he wants to protect Muslims from terrorism too. He even asked them for their help in the fight against radical terrorism, because he knows that terrorism affects them too.
        foldr 10y ago
        >Which he also later clarified to meant immigrants from countries with direct ties to terrorism. That's not a clarification, that's just saying something completely different from what he originally said.

foldr 10y ago

It's worth bearing in mind that the US is a much more racialized society than the UK. We don't think of 'Mexican' or 'Muslim' as racial categories. But they de facto are racial categories in the US. That may not be very logical, but then neither are most Trump supporters. How many of them do you think are able to carefully parse the distinctions between 'Latino', 'Mexican' and 'illegal brown person'? And of course, racism very often comes wrapped up in other prejudices which are thought (rightly or wrongly) to be more respectable. All of the groups Trump has targeted are groups that just so happen to consist mostly of people who aren't white. They're the groups that, in the public imagination, are responsible for the loss of an imagined homogenous White America. Trump can't say "I want a white America". But the people who do want this haven't had any difficulty picking up on his hints.

DefaultUserHN 10y ago
>How many of them do you think are able to carefully parse the distinctions between 'Latino', 'Mexican' and 'illegal brown person'? And yet, Trump supporters understands that Mexican and Muslims are not a race. Hence, why they think Trump is not racist. >Trump can't say "I want a white America". But the people who do want this haven't had any difficulty picking up on his hints. Now you're just making up things in your mind about Trump and Trump supporters, and then accusing them of it.
- foldr 10y ago
  > Trump supporters understands that Mexican and Muslims are not a race. Hence, why they think Trump is not racist. So they think he's xenophobic and religiously bigoted instead? How is that better? >Now you're just making up things in your mind about Trump and Trump supporters, and then accusing them of it. I'm not making up the fact that white supremacists supported Trump.
  - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
    >So they think he's xenophobic and religiously bigoted instead? How is that better? He is not against all immigrants. He is ONLY against ILLEGAL immigrants. He still supports LEGAL immigrants from all over the world. Also, he is not against the Islamic religion. He is just against immigration from countries with known ties to terrorism. >I'm not making up the fact that white supremacists supported Trump. The KKK also supports Hillary too, so that's just the typical election rhetoric you see every four years. These are misconceptions by people who have not listened to Trump's rally speeches. They only hear a small part of the quotes without the context and form these misconceptions about him. And now, they're shocked and confused to find that the majority of the country supports him.
    - pmyteh 10y ago
      > Also, he is not against the Islamic religion. He is just against immigration from countries with known ties to terrorism. He expressly called for all Muslims to be barred from the United States. I'm afraid that claiming he's "not against the Islamic religion" is not a fact-based argument.
      - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
        Which he also later clarified to meant immigrants from countries with direct ties to terrorism. And TEMPORARY only, until they can figure something out, like a vetting program, from those countries with direct ties to terrorism. He wants to protect everyone from terrorism. Yes, he wants to protect Muslims from terrorism too. He even asked them for their help in the fight against radical terrorism, because he knows that terrorism affects them too.
        foldr 10y ago
        >Which he also later clarified to meant immigrants from countries with direct ties to terrorism. That's not a clarification, that's just saying something completely different from what he originally said.