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Not true here in France or most of Europe, for that matter. The only people happy about Trump is ultra-right wing/neo nazi panopticon of odd figures - Wilders,

by janoc 10y ago

Not true here in France or most of Europe, for that matter. The only people happy about Trump is ultra-right wing/neo nazi panopticon of odd figures - Wilders, Le Pen, Farage, Orban ... Really the "crème de la crème" of Europe. And, of course, Putin. The rest is worried now - people are seriously questioning what happens, for example with NATO, after Trump's remarks on not unconditionally supporting the allies. Is Trump going to divide Europe between himself and Putin, e.g. in exchange for Syria? Is Putin going to have a free hand to invade Baltics now? What about Ukraine, Moldavia? Are we going to go back to the Iron Curtain era where Soviet "borders" were the ones with West Germany? These are serious issues which you don't feel on the other side of the Atlantic, but for us living there it is a big deal. What about business? Trump made some remarks about erecting trade barriers to protect American markets. So, of course, this concerns us too. On the other hand, the misogynist, racist, xenophobic BS he was producing during the last few months is mostly seen as disgusting, but finally mostly your internal problem. I am sure someone like Merkel is not going to be personally happy to have to sit next to him at some official function, but people do respect the result of the election and are professionals. GWB was not seen as the sharpest tool in the shed in Europe neither but everyone survived it. Clinton was seen as a continuation of the US policies, so naturally people would have preferred her - nobody likes to rock the boat too much when it comes to foreign policy or business. Trump is seen as unpredictable, unreadable and incompetent in this regard, unfortunately.

Maarten88 10y ago
> GWB was not seen as the sharpest tool in the shed in Europe neither but everyone survived it. In the EU. Lots of people in the middle east did not after he started a war there. As a European, I'm quite scared of what wars Trump will start / cause.
- throwaway1892 10y ago
  As an European, I am less afraid of Trump than as the potential source/cause of wars. Time will tell if I am right or wrong.
cs02rm0 10y ago
Tread carefully; while I suspect most of Europe doesn't care too much about Trump, the media and rest of the left wing in the UK labelled anyone pro-Brexit as ultra-right wing / neo Nazi types - they're still being called uneducated and racist by presenters on TV as I'm typing this. Then the vote for Brexit won a majority. They're not all scum at the extreme end of a political spectrum. If France goes down the same naive, name-calling route Le Pen will surely be next to capitalise on it.
- padraic7a 10y ago
  The media are not the left. While individual publications might be exceptions to the rule generally the media are to the right of centre in Europe.
  - throwaway1892 10y ago
    I don't where you get that from, but in France, most of the media are left-center left, with a few to the right.
    - janoc 10y ago
      That's what you get when you generalize over all media and, especially, not knowing any of them. European media are on both sides of the aisle, you will find both left and right leaning ones, including crazy tabloids. However, what you likely won't find is something like Fox News, with conspiracy theory pushing nutcases being regulars there. BTW, this theory about a "media conspiracy" is not new, nor something that Trump or Putin invented. Lügenpresse ("lying press") is a term widely popularized by (not invented) and mostly associated with National Socialists in Germany - in Hitler's Mein Kampf, for example. Most people parroting this unfortunately don't care - anyone having a different view has to be a part of some complot or aiding the "enemy" (whoever that happens to be).
  - gspetr 10y ago
    > The media are not the left. They most definitely are. Consider the media closely working with the White House now, Obama's "entourage". Not one of them is Republican.
jmolinaso 10y ago
True story, when in Europe the cheerers are the ultras we all get it as a sign that something is not going in the "right" (ironically right) direction. Anyway, too many actors, too many variables too many things to come. Just wait and see!
gspetr 10y ago
You are out of touch. Silencing people you don't agree with by calling them misogynist, racist, sexist, etc. and expecting them to convert to your side does not work. Marginalizing them does not work. Not in Europe. (Brexit) Not in the US. (President) This strategy is 0 for 2. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Not only that, but you are also wrong on facts. There is no unconditional support of NATO allies by the US. See article 5: "It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all." Consideration of something is not unconditional support.
- janoc 10y ago
  This is hardly about silencing anyone. But I refuse to not call racism racism only because it could offend someone. Wasn't it Trump who has the been the biggest opponent of the political correctness? That cuts both ways, you know.

by janoc 10y ago

Maarten88 10y ago

> GWB was not seen as the sharpest tool in the shed in Europe neither but everyone survived it. In the EU. Lots of people in the middle east did not after he started a war there. As a European, I'm quite scared of what wars Trump will start / cause.

throwaway1892 10y ago
As an European, I am less afraid of Trump than as the potential source/cause of wars. Time will tell if I am right or wrong.

cs02rm0 10y ago

Tread carefully; while I suspect most of Europe doesn't care too much about Trump, the media and rest of the left wing in the UK labelled anyone pro-Brexit as ultra-right wing / neo Nazi types - they're still being called uneducated and racist by presenters on TV as I'm typing this. Then the vote for Brexit won a majority. They're not all scum at the extreme end of a political spectrum. If France goes down the same naive, name-calling route Le Pen will surely be next to capitalise on it.

padraic7a 10y ago
The media are not the left. While individual publications might be exceptions to the rule generally the media are to the right of centre in Europe.
- throwaway1892 10y ago
  I don't where you get that from, but in France, most of the media are left-center left, with a few to the right.
  - janoc 10y ago
    That's what you get when you generalize over all media and, especially, not knowing any of them. European media are on both sides of the aisle, you will find both left and right leaning ones, including crazy tabloids. However, what you likely won't find is something like Fox News, with conspiracy theory pushing nutcases being regulars there. BTW, this theory about a "media conspiracy" is not new, nor something that Trump or Putin invented. Lügenpresse ("lying press") is a term widely popularized by (not invented) and mostly associated with National Socialists in Germany - in Hitler's Mein Kampf, for example. Most people parroting this unfortunately don't care - anyone having a different view has to be a part of some complot or aiding the "enemy" (whoever that happens to be).
- gspetr 10y ago
  > The media are not the left. They most definitely are. Consider the media closely working with the White House now, Obama's "entourage". Not one of them is Republican.

jmolinaso 10y ago

True story, when in Europe the cheerers are the ultras we all get it as a sign that something is not going in the "right" (ironically right) direction. Anyway, too many actors, too many variables too many things to come. Just wait and see!

gspetr 10y ago

You are out of touch. Silencing people you don't agree with by calling them misogynist, racist, sexist, etc. and expecting them to convert to your side does not work. Marginalizing them does not work. Not in Europe. (Brexit) Not in the US. (President) This strategy is 0 for 2. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Not only that, but you are also wrong on facts. There is no unconditional support of NATO allies by the US. See article 5: "It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all." Consideration of something is not unconditional support.

janoc 10y ago
This is hardly about silencing anyone. But I refuse to not call racism racism only because it could offend someone. Wasn't it Trump who has the been the biggest opponent of the political correctness? That cuts both ways, you know.