Yes, I think a huge part of the problem wih frameworks for a lot of programmers, myself included, is a lack of control. The framework takes control and you have

Yes, I think a huge part of the problem wih frameworks for a lot of programmers, myself included, is a lack of control. The framework takes control and you have a certain set of ways to modify its behavior. If what you need to do isn't something the framework designers had in mind, you may have to hack the framework. Even if it is something they had in mind, it can be much slower to hunt around and find the 'right' way to tell the framework to stop doing this automatic thing and do this other thing instead. It is often much faster for an experienced and skilled developer to write something that just does what they need to begin with. Libraries, OTOH, don't presume anything about taking control. You're still the driver, they just have a lot of things that can make your life easier if you choose to use them.