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Would you like to know how a normal person gets to vote for Trump? I'm a male French, in France, and I intend to vote FN (extreme right). I have higer educatio

by tajen 10y ago

Would you like to know how a normal person gets to vote for Trump? I'm a male French, in France, and I intend to vote FN (extreme right). I have higer education, 10 years of experience in programming, including 5 in 3 different countries. I have social values, like companies should take care of the humans behind the employee, and we should give our maximum to include everyone who wants to be included. I turned my back on leftist movements because no matter how generous I was (e.g. thousands donated to charities, >1200hrs of volunteering, engaged in social causes, etc), leftists always find a way to depict me as a spoiled child with rich parents, and they dismiss any good work I've made as a result of luck. Oh and my 8-year old cousin was raped by an Arab teenager – I still don't know whether that's due to probability or whether he identifies to the Arabs-against-whites cause. It did change a lot for me. So now that I'm freed from liberal shamers, I've decided to vote depending on only one criteria. In my whole professional experience, promotions were given to women, to the point that it was unfair to me; In my whole life women have been bitter to me. I'm pretty satisfied that there are currently hundreds of laws in favour of women which offset any inequality they can claim; The only party which proposes to keep those existing laws and not adding new ones is FN, the extreme-right French party. All in all, what you need to gain back someone like me is love. Give me luck with finding a girlfriend, give me a fair treatment at work, recognize my social engagement and the positive parts of my values, stop assuming all my rationale is just raw racism or raw machism, stop assuming I've just been lucky with work, and you'll get me back among the centrist voters. But as long as it's not possible to expose my problems without hearing generalizations and shaming, I'll keep voting FN.

madeofpalk 10y ago
> Give me luck with finding a girlfriend I'm sorry, but what the fuck does that have to do with politics? What political party is going to promise you a girlfriend? For what it's worth, you're proving the populist-narrative that explains why Trump was elected: Trump rose to power by assuring those who felt that they once had 'power', who've lost it (to minorities or women or whoever), and deserve to have it back again.
- tajen 10y ago
  > What political party is going to promise you a girlfriend? You've unframed and changed my speech so much that it looks stupid. Obviously, you conclude that this is stupid: You're right! I'm saying: If you don't want me to vote for Trump/FN, then instead of shaming me all the time "because he's from a rich familiy, therefore he doesn't deserve consideration, even if he works hard and donates a lot", try to intervene at the private/social level by having solidarity with people's situation. If you give those people some love, and fix their lives, they'll start voting differently.
  - GreatPowers 10y ago
    Apparently you think very highly of yourself. Is it possible you aren't as great as you think you are?
    - ovidnis 10y ago
      Where on earth did you get that? Are you just trying to prove his point?
      - GreatPowers 10y ago
        Ah, apparently I replied to the wrong comment.
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    I'm actually with you as far as the missing empathy and a lack of will to even listen is concerned, but I must say I too find the bit about the girl friend odd and I think it distracts from the (IMHO) good points you made. Look at it this way: This is an "outlier" statement among everything you said, so a reader's brain is going to pay more attention to it then to the rest. Here is what you could have said (the very short version): You could have made a good point that part of the problem of getting a girl friend is the freakin' amount of uncertainty in our lives. You can't be sure where you live and where you get an income from. That is a big problem for stable relationships. After reading more of your comments I'm not sure if you actually meant it literally though, meaning your own personal issues instead of the wider political picture, which I would not want to comment on.
yodsanklai 10y ago
FN is not going to help you with any of the issues you're mentioning. Seriously, I don't even see what FN has to do with your issue with women or lack of recognition. Their program is mainly about France leaving the euro-zone and tougher immigration policies. And arguably, Marine Le Pen's FN is more on the left side than the current socialist party. In any case, you don't have to apologize if you think they represent your ideas.
- tajen 10y ago
  All the other parties' programs say they will add up to laws in favour of women. FN doesn't say anything: It's more than I wanted to hear. Women don't currently have the same positions as men, but they currently have equal chances, which will lead to the same positions in less than one generation, so more laws would be unfair. Other than that, I've decided I decided to dismiss any argument about economics and immigration, because no party proposes to un-debt France, so women is my only criteria. Sounds logical since women have been the primary factor of unhappiness, both in my private and professional life.
  - skrebbel 10y ago
    Hey, I fully and violently disagree with you. I think you're making dangerously broad generalizations. However, I can see how emotionally it makes sense to you, and I really appreciate how you're openly sharing this stuff on such a lefty and rationalist forum like HN. This is indeed similar to how many people feel, and if we keep excluding this thought we'll never get a good dialog going. So kudos for openly sharing what's obviously some very unpopular ideas on HN.
    - href 10y ago
      Agreed. The right reaction to tajen's comment is "this sucks". Because sometimes it just does. Sure you can disagree with rationalisations and conclusions, but you should still try to empathise. It shows respect.
    - tajen 10y ago
      Thank you, I wouldn't go as far as deserving a kudos, but it's just better if leftists can get the whole picture too. Because, all in all, I agree with leftists that the poor and disadvantaged need help. So thank you for your inclusive emotion.
reitoei 10y ago
Have you ever spoken to a mental health professional about how you feel?
- tajen 10y ago
  Lol that comment could come across as insulting ;) Is it? I'll assume it's not. First, you're trying to present it as a problem with me, instead of a problem with society. Although well-intentionned, it is often a liberal bias: "Some people are stupid/bogans/racists/elderly, that's why they vote X". It goes as far as dismissing those people's votes as invalid, and suggesting they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, democracy means everyone belongs. We need to take care of needs of all people, even people like me, even though I'm depressed, even though I've had an unpleasant bringing-up with bad girlfriends and hateful leftist highschool friends. Bullying someone because has later consequences in terms of democracy, and it's your responsibility. Second, Devoxx keeps giving talks about how women are opressed, while my employer keeps promoting women who don't know what an HTTP Header is. Said promoted women keep complaining that they're paid less than their male counterparts who knew what HTTP Headers were because they had to wait 7 more years to be promoted. Is it alright that I feel a dishonest discrepancy? Is it ok that I don't have any hope for my future? All help goes towards minorities who barely work enough to deserve their spot. Today, I'm the one who needs help. I've worked hard, but now I need a bit of love. Can anyone see that my career has been unfair when I was an employee, bcause promotions were given to women? I've created my company and it succeeded better than competitors, is that a sign that I was competent? What I need today is people who appreciate what I'm giving to the world, both in donations and hard work, and for people to stop depicting me as a white male. Hence my sentence: All I need is a bit of love, especially from liberals, to stop voting against minorities. I'm all for inclusion, and as long as "inclusion" includes shy nerds I'm ready to support everyone else.
  - reitoei 10y ago
    Sorry, I worded it to be as inoffensive as possible, I realize it could have come across as insulting. Wasn't my intention.
  - spacehacker 10y ago
molf 10y ago
> Give me luck with finding a girlfriend How is this related to politics? Genuinely curious since you bring this up as the first way for a political party or movement to win you 'back'.
- teibath 10y ago
  It reminds me of Houellebecq's 'Submission', where one of the main features of islamic France is locking women in home in marriage. Women also serve as "awards" to the backers of the new regime. I think it is true that some people put gender/sexual tensions into their politics, especially if it is radical. Grandparent might assume that in a more traditional society his chances would be better. I can't judge if it's true.
- tajen 10y ago
  The girlfriend is an example, it's a proxy for "fixing my life". All my life I've been shamed by leftists, mostly because I'm a white male from a good Christian family and succeeded at schools. It has had impact on my career for example, since companies decided to promote junior women instead. Leftists couldn't get over that and see the guy who needed help to be socially included. Leftists are pretty happy to see a rich person be socially rejected or committing suicide, actually. I bet many people voting Trump feel just the same: Leftists are prompt at shaming people for being privileged while not caring for their problems. We need a return of solidarity, and if not that, then we'll just vote for ourselves. Hence, I have stopped caring for what leftists say. But if people could get enough solidarity to help me get my life fixed (the girlfriend is just an example), then I'd go back to voting normally. Yes, I've seen a psychologist. Psychologists can fix the person, not society. If society keeps sending crap because you're a white male, nothing will repair your self-esteem.
  - endisukaj 10y ago
    Or maybe people shunned you because you are an inconsiderate, spoiled, full of himself narcissist? You seem to think that those women who have been promoted shouldn't have simply because they were women. Maybe they were better than you. Ever thought of that? > We need a return of solidarity So you are voting for a party who's main concept is spewing hatred against minorities? > But if people could get enough solidarity to help me get my life fixed Why the fuck should leftists, right-wingers, socialists, or nazis sort your life out? You are a grown man. Sort it yourself.
jessedhillon 10y ago
To be honest, you had a blank slate and could have told whatever story you wanted to about yourself. You chose to tell this one, which basically makes the case that you are entitled and bitter.
- tajen 10y ago
  What proves you that I don't deserve a better consideration? It is certainly possible from what I said to depict me as a bad guy through generalizations, but that would only be generalizations. What if I did give a lot and kept being told off, wouldn't that be unfair?
  - jessedhillon 10y ago
    I am not contending that you deserve consideration. You do. I read your story and I can see parts in it which are frustrating, because you believe you are trying your best, but are stuck nonetheless. On the other hand, because of the way you've chosen to present yourself and the issues you want to plant your flag on, I also can't help but wonder how much time you have spent looking at yourself to see how much of this is your responsibility.
whostolemyhat 10y ago
So in summary, you're voting for an extremist far-right party because: 1. You don't have a girlfriend 2. You blame an entire race for your cousin being raped 3. Women were promoted 4. You feel society owes you thanks and praise. But you're not a spoiled child.
- NhanH 10y ago
  > 2. You blame an entire race for your cousin being raped You are putting words into his mouth. His description of the event was entirely about a fact. Quote for reference. > Oh and my 8-year old cousin was raped by an Arab teenager – I still don't know whether that's due to probability or whether he identifies to the Arabs-against-whites cause. It did change a lot for me.
  - whostolemyhat 10y ago
    Why mention race at all? Why is it important that it was an Arab teenager if race is irrelevant?
  - tajen 10y ago
    I'm GP: The race of the person is a data point, because it is entirely probable that the rapist identifies to Daesh. Remember the 8 terrorist attacks we've had in France between 2014 and 2015 and the Cologne rapes: It's entierly plausible that Daesh had a strong support among the Arab community in France, and no-one can neither deny nor confirm this hypothesis. Also, why does a random rape have to be an Arab person, just 3 weeks away from the Cologne events? Last point, I considered him as a friend of mine because I valued inclusion, I invited him to my birthday party and trusted him like I would trust any friend. Turns out I was wrong, and the result is a rape. A rape! The height of the risk is so high, so Earth-shaking, I feel guilty of overlooking our differences. I will keep trying to include people, but not as far as this time. I'm entierly entitled to evaluate several hypothesis from this event (4 exactly: Teenage, earning power, education, and cultural community differences where race is one data point), and take resolutions to avoid getting in this situation again. Anyway, if you're not happy with that, don't rape people.
  - 10y ago
staticelf 10y ago
I love how most the comments to your comment is so condescending and disrespectful. I am from Sweden and intend to vote for the Swedish Democrats and I can understand how you feel. I completely agree with you as well, so tired of feminism, leftish idiocracy, hate on white males etc etc. Funny thing is that I am also an environmentalist, I deeply care about climate issues. That is the part that scares me about Trump. I don't understand the need to deny that shit. Next up is Le Pen winning in France and then Sweden Democrats in Sweden.
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  I'm also Swedish, and the parallells are striking. During the last two general elections in Sweden, my Facebook was an endless litany of "But, but, but, they're racist!!!", same as the mainstream media, and all of it completely useless, because the argument clearly doesn't work.
samradelie 10y ago
I thought I would write back because I really do empathise your points. I lived in France as an étranger for 18 years growing up in an english speaking household. I know I felt separated from the world around me with a culture/language barrier, I could never speak French as good as my mates, write dissertations with native expression, was pretty much told constantly I was shit at my normal French school... Now I think about it, yeah, it was rough and it definitely shaped my character today, but so do many things, on a _daily_ basis. I just see this binary world trend where it's I'm black, I'm white, I'm gay,I'm strait, I'm Muslim, I'm Christian, I'm a man, I'm a woman..; I'm not saying that these traits are unimportant, it seems our classifying and labelling are going into turbo mode seeking to differentiate. I mean common, if history has taught us nothing in the 4 hours a week at lycée we know that struggling and rejecting always costs more than gains - I know we are better than the easy way out. Dude, your a smart guy, you will totally find a megababe girlfriend doing the volenteering community projects; only fat, mean ones on FN side. you know its true
lingben 10y ago
I say the following with human empathy and don't want it to come across as flippant or insensitive (due to the nature of the method of communication): from what you've written it sounds like you could benefit from talking to a counselor or other mental health professional rather than voting for any particular candidate in an election unfortunately mental health is all too often a taboo subject but it shouldn't and needn't be. wish you the best
baby 10y ago
Not having a girlfriend, not being able to pull girls, not being to have sex, ... are all reasons that in my opinion are the root of terrorism. If these kids would get sex, they would bomb themselves. Now someone bring that up as an explanation to vote FN. This aligns with my theory.
ant6n 10y ago
You don't sound like a normal person.
- dang 10y ago
  Comments like this will get your account banned, so please don't post them, regardless of how right you are or how wrong the other person is. You've been posting many comments that break HN's rules. A user emailed us to complain about this, and having taken a look, I think he was right. When commenting on HN, please take extra care to make your comments civil and substantive, the more so as the topic becomes more inflammatory. Otherwise we have no hope of keeping the discourse here from erupting in flames. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
  - ant6n 10y ago
    Fair enough.
xxs 10y ago
I'd skip most of the whines and instead attempt to give a proper advice on nabbing a girlfriend: - get a new shirt that fits you well - go out, some bar would do - spot a girl that you actually like, don't be shy. Look her in the eyes - don't talk about politics and concentrate on her. Compliments are welcome, especially if not phony - be ready for a normal debugging session of trial&error, plus starting over and rethinking your approach - you don't need "luck", persistence would do Other options: some of the east EU countries have higher proportions of young(er) women than men, having French accent would be extra bonus too.
- qb45 10y ago
  Or read The Game for case studies and some idea of possible side effects when people thought it can be reduced to few simple tips.
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- tajen 10y ago
  I can't do that. Partly because confidence is not me; But partly also because I'm afraid of discovering, after 15 years struggling to interest women, that the answer was that simple. Given how butthurt I am with the topic, I admit that this discovery would hurt me a lot. Do unconfident men, no matter how generous they are and how well they work, get no girl, which gives a major handicap in life?
  - xxs 10y ago
    If there is anything that women universally like about men it'd be 'confidence' (not overconfidence and arrogance). At least that's my experience. >> Given how butthurt I am with the topic, I admit that this discovery would hurt me a lot. << Why hurt - you'd get to have a better/happier life. You should not be dwelling on the past, "could/should/might have been" - no important, concentrate on the task at hand and what matters for you. No one has all the answers and clues, regardless how smart they are. The point is: if you don't try, you won't succeed for certain.

by tajen 10y ago

madeofpalk 10y ago

> Give me luck with finding a girlfriend I'm sorry, but what the fuck does that have to do with politics? What political party is going to promise you a girlfriend? For what it's worth, you're proving the populist-narrative that explains why Trump was elected: Trump rose to power by assuring those who felt that they once had 'power', who've lost it (to minorities or women or whoever), and deserve to have it back again.

tajen 10y ago
> What political party is going to promise you a girlfriend? You've unframed and changed my speech so much that it looks stupid. Obviously, you conclude that this is stupid: You're right! I'm saying: If you don't want me to vote for Trump/FN, then instead of shaming me all the time "because he's from a rich familiy, therefore he doesn't deserve consideration, even if he works hard and donates a lot", try to intervene at the private/social level by having solidarity with people's situation. If you give those people some love, and fix their lives, they'll start voting differently.
- GreatPowers 10y ago
  Apparently you think very highly of yourself. Is it possible you aren't as great as you think you are?
  - ovidnis 10y ago
    Where on earth did you get that? Are you just trying to prove his point?
    - GreatPowers 10y ago
      Ah, apparently I replied to the wrong comment.
- Noseshine 10y ago
  I'm actually with you as far as the missing empathy and a lack of will to even listen is concerned, but I must say I too find the bit about the girl friend odd and I think it distracts from the (IMHO) good points you made. Look at it this way: This is an "outlier" statement among everything you said, so a reader's brain is going to pay more attention to it then to the rest. Here is what you could have said (the very short version): You could have made a good point that part of the problem of getting a girl friend is the freakin' amount of uncertainty in our lives. You can't be sure where you live and where you get an income from. That is a big problem for stable relationships. After reading more of your comments I'm not sure if you actually meant it literally though, meaning your own personal issues instead of the wider political picture, which I would not want to comment on.

yodsanklai 10y ago

FN is not going to help you with any of the issues you're mentioning. Seriously, I don't even see what FN has to do with your issue with women or lack of recognition. Their program is mainly about France leaving the euro-zone and tougher immigration policies. And arguably, Marine Le Pen's FN is more on the left side than the current socialist party. In any case, you don't have to apologize if you think they represent your ideas.

tajen 10y ago
All the other parties' programs say they will add up to laws in favour of women. FN doesn't say anything: It's more than I wanted to hear. Women don't currently have the same positions as men, but they currently have equal chances, which will lead to the same positions in less than one generation, so more laws would be unfair. Other than that, I've decided I decided to dismiss any argument about economics and immigration, because no party proposes to un-debt France, so women is my only criteria. Sounds logical since women have been the primary factor of unhappiness, both in my private and professional life.
- skrebbel 10y ago
  Hey, I fully and violently disagree with you. I think you're making dangerously broad generalizations. However, I can see how emotionally it makes sense to you, and I really appreciate how you're openly sharing this stuff on such a lefty and rationalist forum like HN. This is indeed similar to how many people feel, and if we keep excluding this thought we'll never get a good dialog going. So kudos for openly sharing what's obviously some very unpopular ideas on HN.
  - href 10y ago
    Agreed. The right reaction to tajen's comment is "this sucks". Because sometimes it just does. Sure you can disagree with rationalisations and conclusions, but you should still try to empathise. It shows respect.
  - tajen 10y ago
    Thank you, I wouldn't go as far as deserving a kudos, but it's just better if leftists can get the whole picture too. Because, all in all, I agree with leftists that the poor and disadvantaged need help. So thank you for your inclusive emotion.

reitoei 10y ago

Have you ever spoken to a mental health professional about how you feel?

tajen 10y ago
Lol that comment could come across as insulting ;) Is it? I'll assume it's not. First, you're trying to present it as a problem with me, instead of a problem with society. Although well-intentionned, it is often a liberal bias: "Some people are stupid/bogans/racists/elderly, that's why they vote X". It goes as far as dismissing those people's votes as invalid, and suggesting they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, democracy means everyone belongs. We need to take care of needs of all people, even people like me, even though I'm depressed, even though I've had an unpleasant bringing-up with bad girlfriends and hateful leftist highschool friends. Bullying someone because has later consequences in terms of democracy, and it's your responsibility. Second, Devoxx keeps giving talks about how women are opressed, while my employer keeps promoting women who don't know what an HTTP Header is. Said promoted women keep complaining that they're paid less than their male counterparts who knew what HTTP Headers were because they had to wait 7 more years to be promoted. Is it alright that I feel a dishonest discrepancy? Is it ok that I don't have any hope for my future? All help goes towards minorities who barely work enough to deserve their spot. Today, I'm the one who needs help. I've worked hard, but now I need a bit of love. Can anyone see that my career has been unfair when I was an employee, bcause promotions were given to women? I've created my company and it succeeded better than competitors, is that a sign that I was competent? What I need today is people who appreciate what I'm giving to the world, both in donations and hard work, and for people to stop depicting me as a white male. Hence my sentence: All I need is a bit of love, especially from liberals, to stop voting against minorities. I'm all for inclusion, and as long as "inclusion" includes shy nerds I'm ready to support everyone else.
- reitoei 10y ago
  Sorry, I worded it to be as inoffensive as possible, I realize it could have come across as insulting. Wasn't my intention.
- spacehacker 10y ago

molf 10y ago

> Give me luck with finding a girlfriend How is this related to politics? Genuinely curious since you bring this up as the first way for a political party or movement to win you 'back'.

teibath 10y ago
It reminds me of Houellebecq's 'Submission', where one of the main features of islamic France is locking women in home in marriage. Women also serve as "awards" to the backers of the new regime. I think it is true that some people put gender/sexual tensions into their politics, especially if it is radical. Grandparent might assume that in a more traditional society his chances would be better. I can't judge if it's true.
tajen 10y ago
The girlfriend is an example, it's a proxy for "fixing my life". All my life I've been shamed by leftists, mostly because I'm a white male from a good Christian family and succeeded at schools. It has had impact on my career for example, since companies decided to promote junior women instead. Leftists couldn't get over that and see the guy who needed help to be socially included. Leftists are pretty happy to see a rich person be socially rejected or committing suicide, actually. I bet many people voting Trump feel just the same: Leftists are prompt at shaming people for being privileged while not caring for their problems. We need a return of solidarity, and if not that, then we'll just vote for ourselves. Hence, I have stopped caring for what leftists say. But if people could get enough solidarity to help me get my life fixed (the girlfriend is just an example), then I'd go back to voting normally. Yes, I've seen a psychologist. Psychologists can fix the person, not society. If society keeps sending crap because you're a white male, nothing will repair your self-esteem.
- endisukaj 10y ago
  Or maybe people shunned you because you are an inconsiderate, spoiled, full of himself narcissist? You seem to think that those women who have been promoted shouldn't have simply because they were women. Maybe they were better than you. Ever thought of that? > We need a return of solidarity So you are voting for a party who's main concept is spewing hatred against minorities? > But if people could get enough solidarity to help me get my life fixed Why the fuck should leftists, right-wingers, socialists, or nazis sort your life out? You are a grown man. Sort it yourself.

jessedhillon 10y ago

To be honest, you had a blank slate and could have told whatever story you wanted to about yourself. You chose to tell this one, which basically makes the case that you are entitled and bitter.

tajen 10y ago
What proves you that I don't deserve a better consideration? It is certainly possible from what I said to depict me as a bad guy through generalizations, but that would only be generalizations. What if I did give a lot and kept being told off, wouldn't that be unfair?
- jessedhillon 10y ago
  I am not contending that you deserve consideration. You do. I read your story and I can see parts in it which are frustrating, because you believe you are trying your best, but are stuck nonetheless. On the other hand, because of the way you've chosen to present yourself and the issues you want to plant your flag on, I also can't help but wonder how much time you have spent looking at yourself to see how much of this is your responsibility.

whostolemyhat 10y ago

So in summary, you're voting for an extremist far-right party because: 1. You don't have a girlfriend 2. You blame an entire race for your cousin being raped 3. Women were promoted 4. You feel society owes you thanks and praise. But you're not a spoiled child.

NhanH 10y ago
> 2. You blame an entire race for your cousin being raped You are putting words into his mouth. His description of the event was entirely about a fact. Quote for reference. > Oh and my 8-year old cousin was raped by an Arab teenager – I still don't know whether that's due to probability or whether he identifies to the Arabs-against-whites cause. It did change a lot for me.
- whostolemyhat 10y ago
  Why mention race at all? Why is it important that it was an Arab teenager if race is irrelevant?
- tajen 10y ago
  I'm GP: The race of the person is a data point, because it is entirely probable that the rapist identifies to Daesh. Remember the 8 terrorist attacks we've had in France between 2014 and 2015 and the Cologne rapes: It's entierly plausible that Daesh had a strong support among the Arab community in France, and no-one can neither deny nor confirm this hypothesis. Also, why does a random rape have to be an Arab person, just 3 weeks away from the Cologne events? Last point, I considered him as a friend of mine because I valued inclusion, I invited him to my birthday party and trusted him like I would trust any friend. Turns out I was wrong, and the result is a rape. A rape! The height of the risk is so high, so Earth-shaking, I feel guilty of overlooking our differences. I will keep trying to include people, but not as far as this time. I'm entierly entitled to evaluate several hypothesis from this event (4 exactly: Teenage, earning power, education, and cultural community differences where race is one data point), and take resolutions to avoid getting in this situation again. Anyway, if you're not happy with that, don't rape people.
- 10y ago

staticelf 10y ago

I love how most the comments to your comment is so condescending and disrespectful. I am from Sweden and intend to vote for the Swedish Democrats and I can understand how you feel. I completely agree with you as well, so tired of feminism, leftish idiocracy, hate on white males etc etc. Funny thing is that I am also an environmentalist, I deeply care about climate issues. That is the part that scares me about Trump. I don't understand the need to deny that shit. Next up is Le Pen winning in France and then Sweden Democrats in Sweden.

henrikschroder 10y ago
I'm also Swedish, and the parallells are striking. During the last two general elections in Sweden, my Facebook was an endless litany of "But, but, but, they're racist!!!", same as the mainstream media, and all of it completely useless, because the argument clearly doesn't work.

samradelie 10y ago

I thought I would write back because I really do empathise your points. I lived in France as an étranger for 18 years growing up in an english speaking household. I know I felt separated from the world around me with a culture/language barrier, I could never speak French as good as my mates, write dissertations with native expression, was pretty much told constantly I was shit at my normal French school... Now I think about it, yeah, it was rough and it definitely shaped my character today, but so do many things, on a _daily_ basis. I just see this binary world trend where it's I'm black, I'm white, I'm gay,I'm strait, I'm Muslim, I'm Christian, I'm a man, I'm a woman..; I'm not saying that these traits are unimportant, it seems our classifying and labelling are going into turbo mode seeking to differentiate. I mean common, if history has taught us nothing in the 4 hours a week at lycée we know that struggling and rejecting always costs more than gains - I know we are better than the easy way out. Dude, your a smart guy, you will totally find a megababe girlfriend doing the volenteering community projects; only fat, mean ones on FN side. you know its true

lingben 10y ago

I say the following with human empathy and don't want it to come across as flippant or insensitive (due to the nature of the method of communication): from what you've written it sounds like you could benefit from talking to a counselor or other mental health professional rather than voting for any particular candidate in an election unfortunately mental health is all too often a taboo subject but it shouldn't and needn't be. wish you the best

baby 10y ago

Not having a girlfriend, not being able to pull girls, not being to have sex, ... are all reasons that in my opinion are the root of terrorism. If these kids would get sex, they would bomb themselves. Now someone bring that up as an explanation to vote FN. This aligns with my theory.

ant6n 10y ago

You don't sound like a normal person.

dang 10y ago
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- ant6n 10y ago
  Fair enough.

xxs 10y ago

I'd skip most of the whines and instead attempt to give a proper advice on nabbing a girlfriend: - get a new shirt that fits you well - go out, some bar would do - spot a girl that you actually like, don't be shy. Look her in the eyes - don't talk about politics and concentrate on her. Compliments are welcome, especially if not phony - be ready for a normal debugging session of trial&error, plus starting over and rethinking your approach - you don't need "luck", persistence would do Other options: some of the east EU countries have higher proportions of young(er) women than men, having French accent would be extra bonus too.

qb45 10y ago
Or read The Game for case studies and some idea of possible side effects when people thought it can be reduced to few simple tips.
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tajen 10y ago
I can't do that. Partly because confidence is not me; But partly also because I'm afraid of discovering, after 15 years struggling to interest women, that the answer was that simple. Given how butthurt I am with the topic, I admit that this discovery would hurt me a lot. Do unconfident men, no matter how generous they are and how well they work, get no girl, which gives a major handicap in life?
- xxs 10y ago
  If there is anything that women universally like about men it'd be 'confidence' (not overconfidence and arrogance). At least that's my experience. >> Given how butthurt I am with the topic, I admit that this discovery would hurt me a lot. << Why hurt - you'd get to have a better/happier life. You should not be dwelling on the past, "could/should/might have been" - no important, concentrate on the task at hand and what matters for you. No one has all the answers and clues, regardless how smart they are. The point is: if you don't try, you won't succeed for certain.