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Might is the critical word here, and I appreciate that you chose to use it. All of these things are possible, but as the original commenter suggested, I suspect

Might is the critical word here, and I appreciate that you chose to use it. All of these things are possible, but as the original commenter suggested, I suspect most if not all of your fears will prove unfounded. I very much doubt much will change for Muslims in our country, or that deportations will change much (aren't they actually higher under Obama than previous administrations?), or that diabetics will not be able to afford their medication, etc. You may be right that limits may be placed on when an abortion can be obtained, but there's no way gay marriage will be reversed. In short, I agree that in all likelihood the most disappointed voters will be those who voted for Trump expecting him to do all those things you're afraid he'll do. They wanted someone to really shake things up, and he'll give them modest tweaks and proposals with great branding.

slg 10y ago
Yes, "might" was the most important word in my post and that was intentional. I personally don't fall into any of the groups listed and demographically most of the people reading this probably don't either. We are the lucky ones. We don't personally face the risks of a "might". If you fall into those groups that "might" starts looking awfully scary regardless of the exact odds.
Frondo 10y ago
"You may be right that limits may be placed on when an abortion can be obtained." For the women in my life, abortion rights are important rights. Having the government restrict their access to this safe, legal medical procedure is a scary invasion of state power into the doctor-patient relationship. I care about the women in my life, so when they care about access to abortion, I care about it in sympathy. "... diabetics will not be able to afford their medication, etc." Before the ACA, I was uninsurable, thanks to having had my gallbladder out several years prior. "Pre-existing condition." The ACA allowed me to buy health insurance again. If they repeal that, I'm likely to lose access to the U.S. health care system. That scares me, personally. Lots of things about this are scary, because they affect my life and the lives of people I care about.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > For the women in my life How many aborted fetuses do you know and care about? The right to life shouldn't depend on who you know. > to this safe, legal medical procedure is a scary invasion of state power into the doctor-patient safe for who? You say "doctor-patient relationship", but they aren't the only ones with a stake.
  - Frondo 10y ago
    A fetus isn't a person. Abortion is a safe, legal medical procedure. Access to abortion is every woman's right. The SCOTUS has affirmed that the US constitution guarantees this. "Safe for who?" For the woman, who is the person getting the procedure.
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      > A fetus isn't a person. This is a point of dispute. When does it become a person? > Access to abortion is every woman's right Says who? What if it conflicts with a right to life?
      - Frondo 10y ago
        Some may dispute that point. The law does not. The governing bodies of the US have repeatedly affirmed that access to abortion is a woman's right. The medical view of abortion is that it is a safe, legal medical procedure. Whatever you believe--and you are free to believe anything--about fetuses changes neither the legal view nor the medical view of abortion.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        Since we're discussing what the law should be, what the law currently is is moot. You didn't mention the law when talking about "the women in my life". > The medical view of abortion is that it is a safe, legal medical procedure Why do you keep saying this? Who is disputing how safe it is for women?

slg 10y ago

Yes, "might" was the most important word in my post and that was intentional. I personally don't fall into any of the groups listed and demographically most of the people reading this probably don't either. We are the lucky ones. We don't personally face the risks of a "might". If you fall into those groups that "might" starts looking awfully scary regardless of the exact odds.

Frondo 10y ago

"You may be right that limits may be placed on when an abortion can be obtained." For the women in my life, abortion rights are important rights. Having the government restrict their access to this safe, legal medical procedure is a scary invasion of state power into the doctor-patient relationship. I care about the women in my life, so when they care about access to abortion, I care about it in sympathy. "... diabetics will not be able to afford their medication, etc." Before the ACA, I was uninsurable, thanks to having had my gallbladder out several years prior. "Pre-existing condition." The ACA allowed me to buy health insurance again. If they repeal that, I'm likely to lose access to the U.S. health care system. That scares me, personally. Lots of things about this are scary, because they affect my life and the lives of people I care about.

Chris2048 10y ago
> For the women in my life How many aborted fetuses do you know and care about? The right to life shouldn't depend on who you know. > to this safe, legal medical procedure is a scary invasion of state power into the doctor-patient safe for who? You say "doctor-patient relationship", but they aren't the only ones with a stake.
- Frondo 10y ago
  A fetus isn't a person. Abortion is a safe, legal medical procedure. Access to abortion is every woman's right. The SCOTUS has affirmed that the US constitution guarantees this. "Safe for who?" For the woman, who is the person getting the procedure.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    > A fetus isn't a person. This is a point of dispute. When does it become a person? > Access to abortion is every woman's right Says who? What if it conflicts with a right to life?
    - Frondo 10y ago
      Some may dispute that point. The law does not. The governing bodies of the US have repeatedly affirmed that access to abortion is a woman's right. The medical view of abortion is that it is a safe, legal medical procedure. Whatever you believe--and you are free to believe anything--about fetuses changes neither the legal view nor the medical view of abortion.
      - Chris2048 10y ago
        Since we're discussing what the law should be, what the law currently is is moot. You didn't mention the law when talking about "the women in my life". > The medical view of abortion is that it is a safe, legal medical procedure Why do you keep saying this? Who is disputing how safe it is for women?