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The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. The left is inclusive of all sorts of groups of people so long as

The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. The left is inclusive of all sorts of groups of people so long as they agree and ultimately vote their way. We have a major homeless problem but they are quick to offer taking in refugees because they're more enlightened. It's all for making themselves feel better. And the politicians so it for votes... All the while ignoring groups of people they supposedly champion for. Not sure how Christianity is shoved down your throat. Sounds like you don't like Christians because their beliefs don't line up with yours and are upset a primarily Christian nation is Christian in practice. That's not very tolerant. What are you afraid of? Christmas? Accidentally going to mass?

Melk 10y ago
You just won the election. I wonder when the right is going to stop playing the victim. I'm sure President Trump will be very accommodating to those who think differently from him.
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- exclusiv 10y ago
  I didn't win anything lol. I'm third party and voted so but my wife and almost of my friends where I live are on the left. I was hoping for a 5% Libertarian victory for access to public funds (Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant). Competition is good. Anyway, from my group of primarily left friends: - I've heard some are moving out of the country. - Many are removing friends that voted Trump or were Anti-Hillary. This has been happening for some time. Some are even removing family members. - Even my wife told me she lost respect for me for voting third party. The left and the right from the major parties are both full of shit. But saying you are progressive when you don't tolerate other views and even lose respect for others that differ is on a whole other level of bullshit. And getting emotional and raging when you discover an opposing point is not progressive at all either. It probably just means you didn't learn to play in the sandbox with others. It's all sad but the worst part is how the majority of citizens treat others with different views.
joshkpeterson 10y ago
Uh the left would really like to address poverty, it's Republicans who are interested in gutting our institutions. But nice try.
Singletoned 10y ago
> What are you afraid of? Christmas? Accidentally going to mass? Bombing abortion clinics? Protestors holding signs saying "God hates fags". Systemic child abuse?
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- briandear 10y ago
  And can we judge an entire political opinion on the actions a of a tiny minority of people? If we are going to play that game, there are lots of great examples of similar nonsense from the Left. Do we judge black people on the statements of Louis Farrakhan's anti-Jewish rhetoric? Or Jeramiah Wright's sermons? Or Jesse Jackson's corruption? Or even Hilary Clinton's corruption?
  - Singletoned 10y ago
    I'm not judging anyone. I'm not anti-religion, but I do think his point that religion is harmless and "what is there to be afraid of" is naive at best.
- kj01a 10y ago
  If you're afraid of signs, you may have bigger problems then religion...
- exclusiv 10y ago
  Yes let's actively try to shut down everything the bulk majority people believe in so long as it has fringe examples. There are 280 Million Christians in the US [1]. How many of those do you think partake in what you wrote? Clearly this is not a real issue to almost everyone. You're more likely to get hit by lightning (1 in 280,00)[2]. The issue is you have different beliefs and don't want to tolerate the beliefs of 280 M people. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_Sta... [2] http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/probability.html http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/probability.html
fnord123 10y ago
> The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. Do you have examples of the left in the US banning free speech for those that think differently from them? > What are you afraid of? A ban on abortions for one.
- rtx 10y ago
  >A ban on abortions for one. You mean a ban on murder?
  - fnord123 10y ago
    That's the shoving down the throat we're talking about. Thanks.
    - aedron 10y ago
      You two disagree. One of you will have a law that shoves something down your throat.
      - fnord123 10y ago
        Nobody is shoving abortions down anyone's throat. And no one is forcing anyone to enter into a same sex marriage.
        rtx 10y ago
        >Nobody is shoving abortions down anyone's throat. You are on people who didn't asked to be conceived. Make your choice before this point or with plan B. Extreme cases should go through a panel.
        CoryG89 10y ago
        Sure, because then people will just stop having abortions. People never had abortions back before they had a legal right to it, right? If abortions are banned, the only thing it will cause is that abortions will be done in non-medical settings with dangerous methods. Just like they were for hundreds of years. Let's not even consider the number of orphans and abandoned children which would skyrocket.
majewsky 10y ago
> It's all for making themselves feel better. Right-wing politics is not much different in that regard.
nommm-nommm 10y ago
Gonna have to disagree with that one. The left is very pro social programs to help the poor which includes the homeless, the right wants them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The ACLU fight in court for the free speech rights of racist organizations[1]. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-sp... >Not sure how Christianity is shoved down your throat. Stuff like this - http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146538958/rhode-island-district-weighs-students-prayer-lawsuit http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146538958/rhode-island-distric... >What are you afraid of? Being forced by my government to adhere to a religion I don't want to adhere to. Things like forcing my children prey in school. Being a second class citizen. >Christmas? I'm not afraid of Christmas but I don't personally celebrate Christmas (not even in a secular way) and I'd like to keep it that way. I'd also like anyone to celebrate any holiday they would like to celebrate, including Christmas if they want. > Accidentally going to mass? Being forced to go to mass. I think Christianity is harmful but I don't wish to tell other people what to do with their lives and I respect their right to practice whatever VooDoo they want to practice.
- exclusiv 10y ago
  The left is more than the ACLU. I think the ACLU is generally pretty consistent. You're afraid of a prayer hanging up? A student, who does not even believe in God, finds it offensive? Should the Bible not be in a library either? That's hardly "shoving it down your throat". Nobody has the right to force children to pray in school or stand for the national anthem either. You'll never be forced to go to mass. The US has 280 M Christians, that would have happened a long time ago. It sounds like your fears are more that your children will see things differently from you. I get that, but in this current world, I don't see how you can objectively think that your children becoming practicing Christians is a top concern for their health and well-being. I went to a private Catholic school for high school and we had non Christians there. One of my friends was Pagan and one was Muslim. We had religion class. One teacher did Hail Marys. They weren't forced to do anything Christian. They had to learn about Christianity but nobody was trying to convert anyone by any means. Their parents weren't concerned they would jump to the other side because that's the whole point of parenting. You mold them a bit but ideally let them think for themselves as they'll be on their own someday. I've been to different religious services: Greek Orthodox, Native American rituals, and also to Bat Mitzvahs and other events outside my sphere. It's good to learn about other people's beliefs and cultures. We shouldn't be afraid of it.
snsr 10y ago
> The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. We do, in fact. That's the whole point.
- avisser 10y ago
  Indeed. A story of the ACLU suing on behalf of the KKK from 2012: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-sp...

Melk 10y ago

You just won the election. I wonder when the right is going to stop playing the victim. I'm sure President Trump will be very accommodating to those who think differently from him.

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exclusiv 10y ago
I didn't win anything lol. I'm third party and voted so but my wife and almost of my friends where I live are on the left. I was hoping for a 5% Libertarian victory for access to public funds (Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant). Competition is good. Anyway, from my group of primarily left friends: - I've heard some are moving out of the country. - Many are removing friends that voted Trump or were Anti-Hillary. This has been happening for some time. Some are even removing family members. - Even my wife told me she lost respect for me for voting third party. The left and the right from the major parties are both full of shit. But saying you are progressive when you don't tolerate other views and even lose respect for others that differ is on a whole other level of bullshit. And getting emotional and raging when you discover an opposing point is not progressive at all either. It probably just means you didn't learn to play in the sandbox with others. It's all sad but the worst part is how the majority of citizens treat others with different views.

joshkpeterson 10y ago

Uh the left would really like to address poverty, it's Republicans who are interested in gutting our institutions. But nice try.

Singletoned 10y ago

> What are you afraid of? Christmas? Accidentally going to mass? Bombing abortion clinics? Protestors holding signs saying "God hates fags". Systemic child abuse?

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briandear 10y ago
And can we judge an entire political opinion on the actions a of a tiny minority of people? If we are going to play that game, there are lots of great examples of similar nonsense from the Left. Do we judge black people on the statements of Louis Farrakhan's anti-Jewish rhetoric? Or Jeramiah Wright's sermons? Or Jesse Jackson's corruption? Or even Hilary Clinton's corruption?
- Singletoned 10y ago
  I'm not judging anyone. I'm not anti-religion, but I do think his point that religion is harmless and "what is there to be afraid of" is naive at best.
kj01a 10y ago
If you're afraid of signs, you may have bigger problems then religion...
exclusiv 10y ago
Yes let's actively try to shut down everything the bulk majority people believe in so long as it has fringe examples. There are 280 Million Christians in the US [1]. How many of those do you think partake in what you wrote? Clearly this is not a real issue to almost everyone. You're more likely to get hit by lightning (1 in 280,00)[2]. The issue is you have different beliefs and don't want to tolerate the beliefs of 280 M people. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_Sta... [2] http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/probability.html http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/probability.html

fnord123 10y ago

> The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. Do you have examples of the left in the US banning free speech for those that think differently from them? > What are you afraid of? A ban on abortions for one.

rtx 10y ago
>A ban on abortions for one. You mean a ban on murder?
- fnord123 10y ago
  That's the shoving down the throat we're talking about. Thanks.
  - aedron 10y ago
    You two disagree. One of you will have a law that shoves something down your throat.
    - fnord123 10y ago
      Nobody is shoving abortions down anyone's throat. And no one is forcing anyone to enter into a same sex marriage.
      - rtx 10y ago
        >Nobody is shoving abortions down anyone's throat. You are on people who didn't asked to be conceived. Make your choice before this point or with plan B. Extreme cases should go through a panel.
        CoryG89 10y ago
        Sure, because then people will just stop having abortions. People never had abortions back before they had a legal right to it, right? If abortions are banned, the only thing it will cause is that abortions will be done in non-medical settings with dangerous methods. Just like they were for hundreds of years. Let's not even consider the number of orphans and abandoned children which would skyrocket.

majewsky 10y ago

> It's all for making themselves feel better. Right-wing politics is not much different in that regard.

nommm-nommm 10y ago

Gonna have to disagree with that one. The left is very pro social programs to help the poor which includes the homeless, the right wants them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The ACLU fight in court for the free speech rights of racist organizations[1]. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-sp... >Not sure how Christianity is shoved down your throat. Stuff like this - http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146538958/rhode-island-district-weighs-students-prayer-lawsuit http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146538958/rhode-island-distric... >What are you afraid of? Being forced by my government to adhere to a religion I don't want to adhere to. Things like forcing my children prey in school. Being a second class citizen. >Christmas? I'm not afraid of Christmas but I don't personally celebrate Christmas (not even in a secular way) and I'd like to keep it that way. I'd also like anyone to celebrate any holiday they would like to celebrate, including Christmas if they want. > Accidentally going to mass? Being forced to go to mass. I think Christianity is harmful but I don't wish to tell other people what to do with their lives and I respect their right to practice whatever VooDoo they want to practice.

exclusiv 10y ago
The left is more than the ACLU. I think the ACLU is generally pretty consistent. You're afraid of a prayer hanging up? A student, who does not even believe in God, finds it offensive? Should the Bible not be in a library either? That's hardly "shoving it down your throat". Nobody has the right to force children to pray in school or stand for the national anthem either. You'll never be forced to go to mass. The US has 280 M Christians, that would have happened a long time ago. It sounds like your fears are more that your children will see things differently from you. I get that, but in this current world, I don't see how you can objectively think that your children becoming practicing Christians is a top concern for their health and well-being. I went to a private Catholic school for high school and we had non Christians there. One of my friends was Pagan and one was Muslim. We had religion class. One teacher did Hail Marys. They weren't forced to do anything Christian. They had to learn about Christianity but nobody was trying to convert anyone by any means. Their parents weren't concerned they would jump to the other side because that's the whole point of parenting. You mold them a bit but ideally let them think for themselves as they'll be on their own someday. I've been to different religious services: Greek Orthodox, Native American rituals, and also to Bat Mitzvahs and other events outside my sphere. It's good to learn about other people's beliefs and cultures. We shouldn't be afraid of it.

snsr 10y ago

> The left doesn't embrace freedom of speech for those that think differently from them though. We do, in fact. That's the whole point.

avisser 10y ago
Indeed. A story of the ACLU suing on behalf of the KKK from 2012: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-sp...