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IT and software jobs are as white collar as it gets. Call centers, maybe that's a new economy blue collar.
by WillPostForFood 10y ago
IT and software jobs are as white collar as it gets. Call centers, maybe that's a new economy blue collar.
- gaius 10y agoNope, in the UK any tech job is "blue collar", that's how the old class system still works.
- ploika 10y agoI've literally never seen any evidence of that being the case.
- umanwizard 10y agoNobody is talking about the old British class system in this thread so that doesn't appear to be the relevant context.
- gaius 10y agoOf course it is, unless you don't think IT outsourcing is "a thing"? It is literally no different to the factory or shipyard or steel mill closing in country X and reopening in country Y.
- WillPostForFood 10y agoWe are talking about the US election voting splits, so the British definition is interesting, but not relevant. In the US, blue collar usually means some sort of physical labor. If you are sitting at a desk, it is white collar, no matter how menial the task.
- samradelie 10y agoAs an American software developer working perm in London for 5 years and now returning to California ( ;_; ) , I can say that salaries are 3-4 times higher in the US for the same role. Just converting the currencies.
- tajen 10y agoOut of topic: I saw your other comment, I can't upvote it because it's dead (probably for other reasons), but thank you very much for your testimonial, support and encouragement.
- timeSl 10y agoI hear this a lot, but do you mean more IT/technician jobs than software engineering/developing? I'm reasonably sensitive to class particulars and I'm pretty sure software engineering is middle class. Or at least, exactly the same as mechanical/design engineers
- walshemj 10y agoIts still considered a " profession" i.e. in the A or B classification
- mantas 10y agoWhat's the difference between software engineer and oil or mechanical engineer? Same education, same pay, same collar. Management of any of them would be white collar though. It's not about wether your hands get dirty.
- WillPostForFood 10y agoThey are white collar as well, I just singled out software engineers because it is a type of job that is well know to be outsourced. Not sure if that is as true if oil or mechanical engineers.
- saalweachter 10y agoDifferential equations.
- dzhiurgis 10y agoTo me IT is blue collar, even programming is becoming blue collar too. My friend's words were eye opener. Programming is like welding. Different languages are like different types of welding. You've got your MIG, TIG, Oxy-Acetilene. It's just the matter of learning the API.
- pryelluw 10y agoYes, programming is a trade. Which is perfectly fine.
- Scea91 10y agoIf someone states that programming is only about learning APIs then I automatically assign him to the 'code monkey' category.
- Mieaou 10y agoBy that definition, any job requiring specific skill training is blue collar, accountants, surgeons, lawyers, .. Maybe the only 'white collar' jobs left would be politicians and sales?
- uremog 10y agoSome people consider public speaking and charisma to be learnable skills.