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Why doesn't EU take care of that? They are closer, it is right in their backyard it affects them more?

by rdtsc 10y ago

teekert 10y ago
The EU is already taking Ukraine. Not by force but by politics, we already helped Poroshenko in place there. too bad some countries prefer not to associate with corruption ridden Ukraine [0]. But hey, EU leaders usually don't care what voters think (we got the Treaty of Lisbon after we voted no on the EU constitution). [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086
zn44 10y ago
EU surprisingly did take strong position when Ukraine crisis started. Only way EU countries can stand against Russia is if they have backing of NATO. Without this noone will take the risk.
dancryer 10y ago
In part at least, because two of those countries are NATO members and thus all other NATO members have a duty to protect them.
jessedhillon 10y ago
Because we have a vested interest in keeping peace in Europe. As a country it has worked to our advantage to keep large markets under our protection. Having a dumpster fire in your neighborhood is bad for business.
- icebraining 10y ago
  If you wanted to avoid fires, playing with matches (read: extending NATO to the border of Russia) wasn't exactly a clever plan.
  - jessedhillon 10y ago
    Extending the zone of safe and free society is definitely in our interests. I don't know when it became in vogue to openly shit on the Democratic Peace Theory, but it's certainly not for a lack of evidence. I guess it's something that you people have committed us to relearning.
    - icebraining 10y ago
      But you didn't extend the zone of safe and free society; if anything, you reduced it. And it's not like you can claim it was an unforeseen consequence: Russia told you explicitly that they would "take military and other steps along its borders if ex-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia join NATO" [1], an then they proceeded to do just that in Georgia [2]. So you poked the bear without having any way to contain it, and you shouldn't be surprised that people blame you for it having razed the village. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nato-steps-idUSL1143027920080411 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nato-steps-idUSL114... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

Why doesn't EU take care of that? They are closer, it is right in their backyard it affects them more?

by rdtsc 10y ago

Why doesn't EU take care of that? They are closer, it is right in their backyard it affects them more?

The EU is already taking Ukraine. Not by force but by politics, we already helped Poroshenko in place there. too bad some countries prefer not to associate with corruption ridden Ukraine [0]. But hey, EU leaders usually don't care what voters think (we got the Treaty of Lisbon after we voted no on the EU constitution). [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086

zn44 10y ago

EU surprisingly did take strong position when Ukraine crisis started. Only way EU countries can stand against Russia is if they have backing of NATO. Without this noone will take the risk.

dancryer 10y ago

In part at least, because two of those countries are NATO members and thus all other NATO members have a duty to protect them.

jessedhillon 10y ago

Because we have a vested interest in keeping peace in Europe. As a country it has worked to our advantage to keep large markets under our protection. Having a dumpster fire in your neighborhood is bad for business.

icebraining 10y ago
If you wanted to avoid fires, playing with matches (read: extending NATO to the border of Russia) wasn't exactly a clever plan.
- jessedhillon 10y ago
  Extending the zone of safe and free society is definitely in our interests. I don't know when it became in vogue to openly shit on the Democratic Peace Theory, but it's certainly not for a lack of evidence. I guess it's something that you people have committed us to relearning.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    But you didn't extend the zone of safe and free society; if anything, you reduced it. And it's not like you can claim it was an unforeseen consequence: Russia told you explicitly that they would "take military and other steps along its borders if ex-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia join NATO" [1], an then they proceeded to do just that in Georgia [2]. So you poked the bear without having any way to contain it, and you shouldn't be surprised that people blame you for it having razed the village. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nato-steps-idUSL1143027920080411 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nato-steps-idUSL114... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War