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It would be nice if that were true. Maybe Bernie could've pushed the focus back on improving the US instead of picking international fights, but Trump's rhetori

by jobu 10y ago

It would be nice if that were true. Maybe Bernie could've pushed the focus back on improving the US instead of picking international fights, but Trump's rhetoric is far more Hawkish than Obama or Clinton.

xienze 10y ago
> but Trump's rhetoric is far more Hawkish than Obama or Clinton. I must've missed all those times when he was railing against Russia or fixing a proxy war with them in Syria.
vondur 10y ago
I remember reading him being quoted as wanting to get out of Syria and to stop antagonizing the Russians. That seems less confrontational than Obama and certainly Clinton's position.
- laughfactory 10y ago
  I agree. My impression was that Clinton was at least equally as hawkish as Trump, if not more so. She was (is?) certainly more in bed with defense contractors and the whole military machine--as any lifetime politician really probably is.
  - gozur88 10y ago
    Clinton threatened Russia with a military response to a cyber attack. There are reasons to like Clinton over Trump, but a dove-ish foreign policy isn't one of them.
- Brakenshire 10y ago
  Trump called for 20-30,000 US troops on the ground in Syria. http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-iraq-syria-220608 http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-...
  - akvadrako 10y ago
    That's the only way to possibly bring the conflict to a close. If we just leave Syria now it will create a major opportunity for Russia. But not committing overwhelming force to Syria will ensure we never leave.
    - DominikR 10y ago
      Syria has been Russias client state for decades. We wouldn't have had Brexit, the flooding of the EU with migrants and now Trump if the US didn't decide at some point to try and flip Syria by supporting the most radical Syrian psychopaths it could find. Well that one failed spectacularly. At least with Trump you can be quite sure that when he finds out who exactly gave the order to support these terrorist groups in Syria, and he will get access to that information soon, then he will lock these people up for life or they might even face charges for treason.
  - zigzigzag 10y ago
    It's fair to say nobody really knows what Trump will do, but one of the few things he's been consistent on is friendlyness towards Putin. I have more than one non-American friend right now who is happy Trump won. Because they thought Hillary would start WW3 with Russia.
gaius 10y ago
Actually it is the opposite; Trump wants to bring American troops home. He's no dove sure, but he's not a hawk either.
gozur88 10y ago
So was Reagan's, and he got us into fewer wars than anybody since. Nobody messes with the crazy guy.
- jobu 10y ago
  That is true. Trump's unstable personality could be a stabilizing force if the world is afraid of what he might do.

by jobu 10y ago

xienze 10y ago

> but Trump's rhetoric is far more Hawkish than Obama or Clinton. I must've missed all those times when he was railing against Russia or fixing a proxy war with them in Syria.

vondur 10y ago

I remember reading him being quoted as wanting to get out of Syria and to stop antagonizing the Russians. That seems less confrontational than Obama and certainly Clinton's position.

laughfactory 10y ago
I agree. My impression was that Clinton was at least equally as hawkish as Trump, if not more so. She was (is?) certainly more in bed with defense contractors and the whole military machine--as any lifetime politician really probably is.
- gozur88 10y ago
  Clinton threatened Russia with a military response to a cyber attack. There are reasons to like Clinton over Trump, but a dove-ish foreign policy isn't one of them.
Brakenshire 10y ago
Trump called for 20-30,000 US troops on the ground in Syria. http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-iraq-syria-220608 http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-...
- akvadrako 10y ago
  That's the only way to possibly bring the conflict to a close. If we just leave Syria now it will create a major opportunity for Russia. But not committing overwhelming force to Syria will ensure we never leave.
  - DominikR 10y ago
    Syria has been Russias client state for decades. We wouldn't have had Brexit, the flooding of the EU with migrants and now Trump if the US didn't decide at some point to try and flip Syria by supporting the most radical Syrian psychopaths it could find. Well that one failed spectacularly. At least with Trump you can be quite sure that when he finds out who exactly gave the order to support these terrorist groups in Syria, and he will get access to that information soon, then he will lock these people up for life or they might even face charges for treason.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  It's fair to say nobody really knows what Trump will do, but one of the few things he's been consistent on is friendlyness towards Putin. I have more than one non-American friend right now who is happy Trump won. Because they thought Hillary would start WW3 with Russia.

gaius 10y ago

Actually it is the opposite; Trump wants to bring American troops home. He's no dove sure, but he's not a hawk either.

gozur88 10y ago

So was Reagan's, and he got us into fewer wars than anybody since. Nobody messes with the crazy guy.

jobu 10y ago
That is true. Trump's unstable personality could be a stabilizing force if the world is afraid of what he might do.