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Not sure how electing an openly racist, sexist, vengeful narcissist furthers that goal, but okay.

by modarts 10y ago

tluyben2 10y ago
Exactly; I understand an 'against' or 'maybe this will change things' vote, but not actually supporting the man.
PKop 10y ago
Plain and simply, we don't agree on your labels and your assessments of his character. It's not complicated.
- danieldk 10y ago
  Just wondering: you don't find his 'blood coming out of...' comment openly sexist? If not, I am wondering what is?
  - tnmrnis 10y ago
    There is a difference between attacking people because of their sex or by insulting them based on their sex. First is definitively sexist, the latter is arguable.
    - foldr 10y ago
      He was suggesting that Megan Kelley was asking him tough questions because she was on her period.
      - tnmrnis 10y ago
        He was suggesting that Megyn Kelly was asking him though questions and that the reason for this was that she is on her period. There is a very subtle but important difference. He attacked her for asking supposedly though questions, not for being on her period. First was the reason of his attack. Latter was the means of his attack.
        sjwright 10y ago
        Let's assume you're right. How is that any better?
        tnmrnis 10y ago
        Her sex wasn't the reason he attacked her, therefor it wasn't sexist.
        PavleMiha 10y ago
        He's implying that women on their periods have their judgement impaired, which, considering that only women have periods, is sexist and false.
        foldr 10y ago
        As with the other reply, I don't see how this is any better. It's still openly sexist. (Megan Kelley isn't able to do her job properly because she has a uterus.)
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  - tomp 10y ago
    "Blood coming out of her eyes" seems to imply she's "bloodthirsty", out to "get him" or something like that. I don't see any sexism there. People usually omit that first part, and falsly quite him as saying "blood coming out of her whatever", which sure does sound very sexist. But if you quote the whole thing, "blood coming out of her eyes, or whatever" sounds like he's basically backtracking on his (too) offensive comment.
    - PavleMiha 10y ago
      Wait, now you've misquoted him. The full quote is: "There was blood coming out of her eyes... uh blood coming out of her... wherever." Not "or whatever". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y
      - tomp 10y ago
        I've been thinking about this... I still don't think he was referring to her vagina, but I admit that I could be wrong. However, even if he was, or let's make it clearer, even if he directly said "she was so mean because she had PMS/her period", that would still not make it sexism. Sexism is discrimination on the basis of sex. Trump wasn't discriminating against her, he was insulting her because he disliked her (which he's free to do, of course). For insults to be effective, they have to be tailored. You won't call "gay" an obviously gay guy, because that's not an insult, that's the truth! The insult "gay" would only be effective towards someone who's masculine and exaggerates a bit, making you believe that he's actually insecure of his masculinity and would be hurt and offended when being called "gay". That doesn't mean you're homophobic, it just means you're good at insulting people. Trump was simply tailoring his insults to her, and if he meant something in connection with her sex, that's no worse than insulting any other part of her. He's obviously not discriminating - he's been insulting pretty much everyone, and his insults are always highly tailored ("low energy" Jeb, "crooked" Hillary, ...).
rdtsc 10y ago
That's how much this was a vote _against_ Hillary. They hated her so much, they voted for an "openly racist, sexist, vengeful narcissist". Let that sink in. (You'd probably say it is because all those people are openly racist, sexist and vengeful...)
- rbolla 10y ago
  what made America to simly make a blanket statemount about HC that they dislike her. Is it the media just being so loud about few RNC voices? Honestly, I wanted to know what has made the whole country to dislike her.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    She was out of touch with the hardships of Middle America. Globalization has been good to America in aggregate, but has hollowed out the rust belt (which went very much for Trump). The emails did not help; it made her appear above the law.
  - throw_away_777 10y ago
    Government in the US has been extremely dysfunctional for a while now, and Clinton is the embodiment of the establishment politician. This may explain why so many people were willing to vote for an outsider candidate, despite his obvious flaws.
  - digler999 10y ago
    for me it was the way she talked. like the umpteenth "career politician" who is trying to spoon feed me exactly what baby-food formula her focus groups think I want to hear. We've heard that so many times from so many candidates, that you stop believing it. What I believe is she is funded by wealthy corporate donors and will always put their needs first. I voted for trump because "I'm not falling for that again". I'm sick of hearing it, the boilerplate speeches about making things "better" while they go off and do whatever they want once they're elected. When trump spoke, he didn't have that "mask" on, he talks like a real, genuine human being who's speaking from his mind/heart. His crude statements were unfortunate, but those also reinforce that he's genuine, speaking whats inside. Not through a triple-stage reverse-osmosis speech filter scripted by his handlers.
daxorid 10y ago
Except, as per usual, nobody can back these assertions up with actual evidence. Meanwhile, you're happy to elect the pro-war, pro-key-escrow candidate. What the hell has happened to "hacker" news? You're welcome for forestalling mandatory backdoored crypto for four years.
- Lich 10y ago
  Um, it has all been recorded and/or videotaped? Why do Trump supporters keep denying the horrible things he has said when there is solid recorded evidence?
- howdyado 10y ago
  Racism - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37230916 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37230916 Sexist - ... Not going to link it - I'm yet to hear Hillary's version of "I can walk right up to men and grab them on the cock". This is a one way street. I actually would struggle to think of any prominent female who would act in the same manner of openly stating they can abuse a person such (and even to try and recant this later) Vengeful narcissism - Despite being cleared of any charges, he openly alludes to the imprisonment of his opposition: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-riles-jacksonville-fl-crowd-reports-hillary-fbi-investigation-possible-indictment/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-ril... Do you acknowledge any of these? Dispute video evidence? The sources? I am genuinely perplexed you seem to believe there is no evidence, however it seems you have a shifted-goalposts view of what constitutes "sexism" "racism"or "vengeful narcissism". If you disagree with my post - which is a high probability - can we try a thought exercise? Describe a scenario that you believe would be scandalous sexism if Trump mete out that act. I am interested to see the threshold that needs to be met to constitute as "sexism" under your rubric.
  - MichaelBurge 10y ago
    The Mexican example isn't racism. If you turn it around and look at US citizens that are fleeing the US to Mexico, it wouldn't surprise me if they also were more likely to be criminals. If you're running from the police - on either side - you'd want to hop the border, and not because either Mexicans or US citizens are genetically prone to being rapists. Stefan Molyneux had a great video on this subject, with some actual facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ

Not sure how electing an openly racist, sexist, vengeful narcissist furthers that goal, but okay.

by modarts 10y ago

Not sure how electing an openly racist, sexist, vengeful narcissist furthers that goal, but okay.

tluyben2 10y ago

Exactly; I understand an 'against' or 'maybe this will change things' vote, but not actually supporting the man.

PKop 10y ago

Plain and simply, we don't agree on your labels and your assessments of his character. It's not complicated.

danieldk 10y ago
Just wondering: you don't find his 'blood coming out of...' comment openly sexist? If not, I am wondering what is?
- tnmrnis 10y ago
  There is a difference between attacking people because of their sex or by insulting them based on their sex. First is definitively sexist, the latter is arguable.
  - foldr 10y ago
    He was suggesting that Megan Kelley was asking him tough questions because she was on her period.
    - tnmrnis 10y ago
      He was suggesting that Megyn Kelly was asking him though questions and that the reason for this was that she is on her period. There is a very subtle but important difference. He attacked her for asking supposedly though questions, not for being on her period. First was the reason of his attack. Latter was the means of his attack.
      - sjwright 10y ago
        Let's assume you're right. How is that any better?
        tnmrnis 10y ago
        Her sex wasn't the reason he attacked her, therefor it wasn't sexist.
        PavleMiha 10y ago
        He's implying that women on their periods have their judgement impaired, which, considering that only women have periods, is sexist and false.
      - foldr 10y ago
        As with the other reply, I don't see how this is any better. It's still openly sexist. (Megan Kelley isn't able to do her job properly because she has a uterus.)
    - deleted 10y ago
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- tomp 10y ago
  "Blood coming out of her eyes" seems to imply she's "bloodthirsty", out to "get him" or something like that. I don't see any sexism there. People usually omit that first part, and falsly quite him as saying "blood coming out of her whatever", which sure does sound very sexist. But if you quote the whole thing, "blood coming out of her eyes, or whatever" sounds like he's basically backtracking on his (too) offensive comment.
  - PavleMiha 10y ago
    Wait, now you've misquoted him. The full quote is: "There was blood coming out of her eyes... uh blood coming out of her... wherever." Not "or whatever". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y
    - tomp 10y ago
      I've been thinking about this... I still don't think he was referring to her vagina, but I admit that I could be wrong. However, even if he was, or let's make it clearer, even if he directly said "she was so mean because she had PMS/her period", that would still not make it sexism. Sexism is discrimination on the basis of sex. Trump wasn't discriminating against her, he was insulting her because he disliked her (which he's free to do, of course). For insults to be effective, they have to be tailored. You won't call "gay" an obviously gay guy, because that's not an insult, that's the truth! The insult "gay" would only be effective towards someone who's masculine and exaggerates a bit, making you believe that he's actually insecure of his masculinity and would be hurt and offended when being called "gay". That doesn't mean you're homophobic, it just means you're good at insulting people. Trump was simply tailoring his insults to her, and if he meant something in connection with her sex, that's no worse than insulting any other part of her. He's obviously not discriminating - he's been insulting pretty much everyone, and his insults are always highly tailored ("low energy" Jeb, "crooked" Hillary, ...).

rdtsc 10y ago

That's how much this was a vote _against_ Hillary. They hated her so much, they voted for an "openly racist, sexist, vengeful narcissist". Let that sink in. (You'd probably say it is because all those people are openly racist, sexist and vengeful...)

rbolla 10y ago
what made America to simly make a blanket statemount about HC that they dislike her. Is it the media just being so loud about few RNC voices? Honestly, I wanted to know what has made the whole country to dislike her.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  She was out of touch with the hardships of Middle America. Globalization has been good to America in aggregate, but has hollowed out the rust belt (which went very much for Trump). The emails did not help; it made her appear above the law.
- throw_away_777 10y ago
  Government in the US has been extremely dysfunctional for a while now, and Clinton is the embodiment of the establishment politician. This may explain why so many people were willing to vote for an outsider candidate, despite his obvious flaws.
- digler999 10y ago
  for me it was the way she talked. like the umpteenth "career politician" who is trying to spoon feed me exactly what baby-food formula her focus groups think I want to hear. We've heard that so many times from so many candidates, that you stop believing it. What I believe is she is funded by wealthy corporate donors and will always put their needs first. I voted for trump because "I'm not falling for that again". I'm sick of hearing it, the boilerplate speeches about making things "better" while they go off and do whatever they want once they're elected. When trump spoke, he didn't have that "mask" on, he talks like a real, genuine human being who's speaking from his mind/heart. His crude statements were unfortunate, but those also reinforce that he's genuine, speaking whats inside. Not through a triple-stage reverse-osmosis speech filter scripted by his handlers.

daxorid 10y ago

Except, as per usual, nobody can back these assertions up with actual evidence. Meanwhile, you're happy to elect the pro-war, pro-key-escrow candidate. What the hell has happened to "hacker" news? You're welcome for forestalling mandatory backdoored crypto for four years.

Lich 10y ago
Um, it has all been recorded and/or videotaped? Why do Trump supporters keep denying the horrible things he has said when there is solid recorded evidence?
howdyado 10y ago
Racism - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37230916 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37230916 Sexist - ... Not going to link it - I'm yet to hear Hillary's version of "I can walk right up to men and grab them on the cock". This is a one way street. I actually would struggle to think of any prominent female who would act in the same manner of openly stating they can abuse a person such (and even to try and recant this later) Vengeful narcissism - Despite being cleared of any charges, he openly alludes to the imprisonment of his opposition: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-riles-jacksonville-fl-crowd-reports-hillary-fbi-investigation-possible-indictment/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-ril... Do you acknowledge any of these? Dispute video evidence? The sources? I am genuinely perplexed you seem to believe there is no evidence, however it seems you have a shifted-goalposts view of what constitutes "sexism" "racism"or "vengeful narcissism". If you disagree with my post - which is a high probability - can we try a thought exercise? Describe a scenario that you believe would be scandalous sexism if Trump mete out that act. I am interested to see the threshold that needs to be met to constitute as "sexism" under your rubric.
- MichaelBurge 10y ago
  The Mexican example isn't racism. If you turn it around and look at US citizens that are fleeing the US to Mexico, it wouldn't surprise me if they also were more likely to be criminals. If you're running from the police - on either side - you'd want to hop the border, and not because either Mexicans or US citizens are genetically prone to being rapists. Stefan Molyneux had a great video on this subject, with some actual facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_FOCF3vIQ