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Of course culture is more than food or dance, but what's wrong with trying those as a way to have a glimpse into the Indian culture? I don't think anyone claime

by wibr 10y ago

Of course culture is more than food or dance, but what's wrong with trying those as a way to have a glimpse into the Indian culture? I don't think anyone claimed to be expert on Indian culture after having a butter chicken. What would you propose instead?

puranjay 10y ago
Because this perspective looks at all the positive aspects of my culture while assuming there are no negatives (there are MANY). It sacrifices objectivity for political correctness. I'd rather hear people tell me "yeah, your food might be amazing, but you guys need to treat your women better", instead of saying "wow! I love Indian culture!" at some Holi event
- eecc 10y ago
  This
- whydidtrumpwin 10y ago
  http://howdiddonaldtrumpwin.com/ http://howdiddonaldtrumpwin.com/
- noobermin 10y ago
  You could literally say that about any culture. No one is trying to fully emulate your culture. To be honest, when people are curious about me, I am flattered.
- notahacker 10y ago
  I suspect that you're in a minority of Indians that think comments from white guys who's understanding of Indian culture(s) doesn't go much beyond butter chicken and arranged marriages opining on Indian cultural problems with women would be helpful though. Even if we're focusing on Indians that agree that India has unique cultural problems with the treatment of women. And one of the driving forces behind Trump's success is a whole lot of foreign/liberal/establishment/non-insider figures pontificating about how that sort of person's culture must be pretty messed up if Trump is expected to pick up votes from them. (Just because a point of view is justified doesn't mean it doesn't provoke a backlash)
- labster 10y ago
  Most people would rather not have have their culture attacked. You might be different. Applying this in person could lead to ugly American syndrome or persistent imperialism. Which is too bad because you sound like a great person. The world would be a better place if we could be hear honest opinions without taking personal offense. But if I go to India and talk to them about the way they treat women, they might recall the last time some white people showed up and started telling them how they should run things.
- r00fus 10y ago
  Maybe they're just being polite because they don't want to randomly critique your culture (and probably don't want you to do likewise)? People want positive experiences and encounters because, honestly, life can suck and negative feedback loops are a real thing. I've lost the goodwill of colleagues and friends by being as callous as you want others to be to you. You might want to meditate on that.
- oarsinsync 10y ago
  When I go to a Spanish festival, there is paella and salsa dancing. There aren't broadcasts that censorship is rife and the right to protest the government is being eliminated. When I go to a Polish festival, there is sausages and beer. It isn't broadcast that the government has gone extreme right wing, that womens right to abortion is being removed and criminalised. When I go to an Indian festival, there is curry and mendhi. It isn't broadcast that women have few rights, and (gang) rape is more common than it should be. The point of these festivals are to celebrate the positives, not to focus on the negatives. They're celebrations not protests.
  - lgieron 10y ago
    > When I go to a Polish festival, there is sausages and beer. It isn't broadcast that the government has gone extreme right wing, that womens right to abortion is being removed and criminalised. Probably because neither of those things is true.
    - leafee 10y ago
      Did you miss this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37449903 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37449903
      - lgieron 10y ago
        That's old news, the civic proposal to harden the laws on abrotion was later overthrown in the parliament by the "extreme rightwing" ruling party. I wonder if BBC reported on that.
- gotrecruit 10y ago
  erm bro... seriously? if i meet you at a random festival and wanted to have a casual conversation to be friendly with you, you want me to bring up your treatment of women?
- rayiner 10y ago
  Thank you! My family is Bangladeshi. The food is amazing and the people are generally kind. But we came to the U.S. for a reason. It's worth remembering: 30% of Latinos in Florida voted for Trump. The left is not doing a good job walking that fine line between "we welcome those who want to become American" and "we are willing to give up the aspects of American culture that make people want to come here."

by wibr 10y ago

puranjay 10y ago

Because this perspective looks at all the positive aspects of my culture while assuming there are no negatives (there are MANY). It sacrifices objectivity for political correctness. I'd rather hear people tell me "yeah, your food might be amazing, but you guys need to treat your women better", instead of saying "wow! I love Indian culture!" at some Holi event

eecc 10y ago
This
whydidtrumpwin 10y ago
http://howdiddonaldtrumpwin.com/ http://howdiddonaldtrumpwin.com/
noobermin 10y ago
You could literally say that about any culture. No one is trying to fully emulate your culture. To be honest, when people are curious about me, I am flattered.
notahacker 10y ago
I suspect that you're in a minority of Indians that think comments from white guys who's understanding of Indian culture(s) doesn't go much beyond butter chicken and arranged marriages opining on Indian cultural problems with women would be helpful though. Even if we're focusing on Indians that agree that India has unique cultural problems with the treatment of women. And one of the driving forces behind Trump's success is a whole lot of foreign/liberal/establishment/non-insider figures pontificating about how that sort of person's culture must be pretty messed up if Trump is expected to pick up votes from them. (Just because a point of view is justified doesn't mean it doesn't provoke a backlash)
labster 10y ago
Most people would rather not have have their culture attacked. You might be different. Applying this in person could lead to ugly American syndrome or persistent imperialism. Which is too bad because you sound like a great person. The world would be a better place if we could be hear honest opinions without taking personal offense. But if I go to India and talk to them about the way they treat women, they might recall the last time some white people showed up and started telling them how they should run things.
r00fus 10y ago
Maybe they're just being polite because they don't want to randomly critique your culture (and probably don't want you to do likewise)? People want positive experiences and encounters because, honestly, life can suck and negative feedback loops are a real thing. I've lost the goodwill of colleagues and friends by being as callous as you want others to be to you. You might want to meditate on that.
oarsinsync 10y ago
When I go to a Spanish festival, there is paella and salsa dancing. There aren't broadcasts that censorship is rife and the right to protest the government is being eliminated. When I go to a Polish festival, there is sausages and beer. It isn't broadcast that the government has gone extreme right wing, that womens right to abortion is being removed and criminalised. When I go to an Indian festival, there is curry and mendhi. It isn't broadcast that women have few rights, and (gang) rape is more common than it should be. The point of these festivals are to celebrate the positives, not to focus on the negatives. They're celebrations not protests.
- lgieron 10y ago
  > When I go to a Polish festival, there is sausages and beer. It isn't broadcast that the government has gone extreme right wing, that womens right to abortion is being removed and criminalised. Probably because neither of those things is true.
  - leafee 10y ago
    Did you miss this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37449903 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37449903
    - lgieron 10y ago
      That's old news, the civic proposal to harden the laws on abrotion was later overthrown in the parliament by the "extreme rightwing" ruling party. I wonder if BBC reported on that.
gotrecruit 10y ago
erm bro... seriously? if i meet you at a random festival and wanted to have a casual conversation to be friendly with you, you want me to bring up your treatment of women?
rayiner 10y ago
Thank you! My family is Bangladeshi. The food is amazing and the people are generally kind. But we came to the U.S. for a reason. It's worth remembering: 30% of Latinos in Florida voted for Trump. The left is not doing a good job walking that fine line between "we welcome those who want to become American" and "we are willing to give up the aspects of American culture that make people want to come here."