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>The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. No, the attempts at building an interconnected globalized world are becomin
by lsc 10y ago
>The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail.
No, the attempts at building an interconnected globalized world are becoming less popular. Or maybe the people who opposed that sort of thing all along are finding a voice.
It's a different thing; Interestingly, you get different answers when you vote votes than when you vote with dollars; and in this case? the dollars have teamed up with the center (or what in america is called the center-left) - and lost to the votes. (I guess I don't really see why you think the center left (or center) has sold out to the far right. This is America, and we like our market-based solutions, but the center is capable of regulating that. I give you the ACA as exhibit A.)
>There is no genuine leftist alternative. It's a choice between center-right "left" that's sold out to the establishment and the far right.Economists need to stop acting like priests in the medieval ages who justified the existing order . The rural voter who lost his job doesn't care about the theory of comparitive advantage.
uh, so really, 'left' vs 'right' doesn't work so well when describing "third way" nationalist movements; that's kind of why it is the "third way" - I mean, not that brexit and trump are actually fascist movements, but they are similar in that they have strong nationalist and nativist aspects to them, and are less clear where they stand on the economic side of things. All 'third way' movements, historically, have had some socialist and some capitalist elements; their argument is that the left/right economic divide isn't the primary issue; taking care of "your people" and protecting those people from the others is the big issue.
The real divide here is between what I call "the coalition of everything is fine" - people like me, for whom the economy looks like it's booming, minorities and women who see that their rights get closer to parity every year, vs... uh, what I want to call the rural poor, but this election showed that it's more than just the rural poor. I mean, I can see what is up with the rural poor... but what about everyone else?
And there's not a lot of understanding in general; it's not just me. I mean, I can understand voting for the other guy 'cause you don't have a job... but unemployment, by just about all measures, has been going down for about all of the time that Obama has been in office.
Where is this majority of people who think that things are so bad?
- nightski 10y agoTwo reasons - 1. Potential for a 20% reduction in corporate income tax, a huge boon for small business owners. 2. Repeal Obamacare and it's obscene costs to small business.
- lsc 10y agoWhy not a more conventional republican then? I don't think Trump has said he would repeal the ACA. There has been vague talk of changing it, but no evidence that it won't come out more populist than it is now. Edit: This "Because I like fiscally conservative policies" answer is one I get a lot in these discussions... but it doesn't create a working model, because as far as I can tell, Trump is not a particularly fiscally conservative Republican.
- pm90 10y agoNo conventional republican was selected simply because of the way the GOP selects its candidates. With 30 people fighting each other, the votes were just too split up to allow anyone to get a nice majority.
- notahacker 10y agoTrump wasn't a particularly fiscally conservative Republican, but he was the only representative of the most fiscally conservative party on the ticket.
- nightski 10y agohttps://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/health-care/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/health-care/
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- moduspol 10y ago> I mean, I can understand voting for the other guy 'cause you don't have a job... but unemployment, by just about all measures, has been going down for about all of the time that Obama has been in office. The unemployment rate only includes people actively seeking work. One often-toted statistic is that men have been dropping out of the labor market completely (i.e. not looking for work at all) at higher-than-normal rates. These are quite possibly also people who were Trump voters.
- clavalle 10y agoWell, one unemployment rate only includes people actively seeking work -- the most popularly reported one. The other unemployment rates that do count people that dropped out have been falling at nearly the same rate.
- moduspol 10y agoThis suggests otherwise: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/20/as-low-skilled-jobs-disappear-men-drop-out-of-the-workforce/ http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/20/as-low-skilled-job...