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It's not surprising. The left-liberal camp was always turning a blind eye towards many important national issues and importantly about the issue of Islam. This

by tmptmp 10y ago

It's not surprising. The left-liberal camp was always turning a blind eye towards many important national issues and importantly about the issue of Islam. This reminds me a talk given by Sam Harris about the blunder being done by left-liberals regarding their dishonest/spineless treatment of Islam. His video titled "Sam Harris : Liberals failure to talk honestly about Islam is responsible for the rise of Trump" is very educational [1]. This [2] also is informative in this regard. Even democratic supporter Bill Maher has said "Bill Maher: I Wish Liberals Would Have Same Intolerance For Muslims That They Do For Christians" [3] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCWf0tHy7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCWf0tHy7M [2] https://www.samharris.org/islam https://www.samharris.org/islam [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8rZTuGfZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8rZTuGfZo

mikeyouse 10y ago
It seems strange to blame the left for not having a stronger response against Islam instead of the right for drumming up this insane hatred of Muslim people.. I have no doubt that this issue cost many swing state votes but how many Wisconsinites have ever even seen a Muslim? It's such an insane boogeyman created for this very purpose. I listen to Sam Harris, agree with many of his points but there are like 10,000 Syrians in the US - many of whom are Christians, all of whom were fleeing ISIS. Shame on Republicans for using them to score votes.
- tmptmp 10y ago
  >>I have no doubt that this issue cost many swing state votes but how many Wisconsinites have ever even seen a Muslim? In today's world of internet, you don't have see a Muslim(s) to get an idea of how vicious the ideology of Islam is. What happened after Charlie Hebdo attack? What happened after Nice attack? Wisconsin is not some 3rd world village where people don't get to see/hear these news. How many times did we hear "Islam is religion of peace" from Obama/Clinton and many other liberals after each such attack? In Germany also, I saw that nudists were barred from some areas because it might "hurt the religious sentiments of Muslims" in those areas. Again, what was the response from the liberals? Complete dishonest response. Come on, if the same nudists were opposed by Christians/Hindoos/Jews these pseudo-liberals would have raised hell against them.
- golergka 10y ago
  The parent comment was talking about relatinship with ideology of Islam, and you've changed the subject to relationship to Muslim people. Don't you see the difference?
komali2 10y ago
>It is the fault of the enemy religion I don't like where this is going.
tobltobs 10y ago
> The left-liberal camp was always turning a blind eye towards many important national issues and importantly about the issue of Islam. First I wanted to say something about that "issues of Islam" might not be the biggest problems we have, but then I looked at your profile page and now I guess you would disagree. The seeds of the brainwashing start to grow. I am scared about our future.
- komali2 10y ago
  I want to have a serious discussion with people about how to tackle the second coming of hyper nationalism without people laughing me off and calling me an SJW, cuck, or quoting "Everyone I disagree with is Hitler, a child's guide to politics." It is clear that we're about to have a second wave of prejudice based on race, religion, and sexual orientation/preference, and I want to be ready to tackle this intelligently.
namecast 10y ago
"The issue of Islam" pretty much says it all right there. Reducing 1.6 billion people and 57 countries around the world down to a few youtube clips that agree with your priors is what I'm going to politely describe as "an interesting worldview". Here's your flag.
- tmptmp 10y ago
  I wish to make it clear that I am not against Muslim people. But I am against the vicious and barbaric ideology of Islam. Many Muslims (especially Muslim women) are the foremost victims of Islam. So, please do not confuse Islam as an ideology with Muslims as people. Similar thing applies to Christianity and other religions too. The Western world has been so successful on various fronts (especially on the modern, liberal and progressive cultural front) essentially because they defeated and discarded the barbaric Christianity by what we now call "separation of Church and state". But Islamists (Muslims who wish/strive to bring Islam as ruler in the world) are trying to bring Sharia in the western world and the liberals here are quite dishonest about it.
  - namecast 10y ago
    > But Islamists (Muslims who wish/strive to bring Islam as ruler in the world) are trying to bring Sharia in the western world a This is a fantasy that is born out of spending too much time on messageboards and not enough in reality. I get that you think that creeping sharia is on the horizon; go see a doctor about your anxiety issues, is my advice, because that statement is so far from reality that I can't imagine you'd take any other advice I'd give.
    - tmptmp 10y ago
      >>This is a fantasy that is born out of spending too much time on messageboards and not enough in reality. Hope this [1] helps you see some reality. It seems UK has already allowed the barbaric and inhumane Sharia to exist there. So, that's not at all fantasy. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DsG9yQrdD4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DsG9yQrdD4
hyperdunc 10y ago
Concerns about Islam were certainly a fairly major contributor to Trump's victory. Many on the left - especially the so-called progressives - are blind to the danger of Islamism. To those who recognize and prioritize the problem, Trump was the obvious choice. The charges of bigotry so often heard no longer work. Such labeling cannot suppress the fact that Islamist values (based on revelation) are incompatible with Western secular values, (which are based on evidence and reason). Now if it turns out climate change is a bigger concern than creeping Islamism then we're in trouble.
iuhgdwij 10y ago
A good first step might be to require a yellow half moon to be attached to every muslims chest while in public. And one starry night, let's go crush the windows of muslim-owned shops. That is how we started dealing with the Jewish issue here in Europe a couple of years ago. (this comment is obviously sarcasm)

by tmptmp 10y ago

mikeyouse 10y ago

It seems strange to blame the left for not having a stronger response against Islam instead of the right for drumming up this insane hatred of Muslim people.. I have no doubt that this issue cost many swing state votes but how many Wisconsinites have ever even seen a Muslim? It's such an insane boogeyman created for this very purpose. I listen to Sam Harris, agree with many of his points but there are like 10,000 Syrians in the US - many of whom are Christians, all of whom were fleeing ISIS. Shame on Republicans for using them to score votes.

tmptmp 10y ago
>>I have no doubt that this issue cost many swing state votes but how many Wisconsinites have ever even seen a Muslim? In today's world of internet, you don't have see a Muslim(s) to get an idea of how vicious the ideology of Islam is. What happened after Charlie Hebdo attack? What happened after Nice attack? Wisconsin is not some 3rd world village where people don't get to see/hear these news. How many times did we hear "Islam is religion of peace" from Obama/Clinton and many other liberals after each such attack? In Germany also, I saw that nudists were barred from some areas because it might "hurt the religious sentiments of Muslims" in those areas. Again, what was the response from the liberals? Complete dishonest response. Come on, if the same nudists were opposed by Christians/Hindoos/Jews these pseudo-liberals would have raised hell against them.
golergka 10y ago
The parent comment was talking about relatinship with ideology of Islam, and you've changed the subject to relationship to Muslim people. Don't you see the difference?

komali2 10y ago

>It is the fault of the enemy religion I don't like where this is going.

tobltobs 10y ago

> The left-liberal camp was always turning a blind eye towards many important national issues and importantly about the issue of Islam. First I wanted to say something about that "issues of Islam" might not be the biggest problems we have, but then I looked at your profile page and now I guess you would disagree. The seeds of the brainwashing start to grow. I am scared about our future.

komali2 10y ago
I want to have a serious discussion with people about how to tackle the second coming of hyper nationalism without people laughing me off and calling me an SJW, cuck, or quoting "Everyone I disagree with is Hitler, a child's guide to politics." It is clear that we're about to have a second wave of prejudice based on race, religion, and sexual orientation/preference, and I want to be ready to tackle this intelligently.

namecast 10y ago

"The issue of Islam" pretty much says it all right there. Reducing 1.6 billion people and 57 countries around the world down to a few youtube clips that agree with your priors is what I'm going to politely describe as "an interesting worldview". Here's your flag.

tmptmp 10y ago
I wish to make it clear that I am not against Muslim people. But I am against the vicious and barbaric ideology of Islam. Many Muslims (especially Muslim women) are the foremost victims of Islam. So, please do not confuse Islam as an ideology with Muslims as people. Similar thing applies to Christianity and other religions too. The Western world has been so successful on various fronts (especially on the modern, liberal and progressive cultural front) essentially because they defeated and discarded the barbaric Christianity by what we now call "separation of Church and state". But Islamists (Muslims who wish/strive to bring Islam as ruler in the world) are trying to bring Sharia in the western world and the liberals here are quite dishonest about it.
- namecast 10y ago
  > But Islamists (Muslims who wish/strive to bring Islam as ruler in the world) are trying to bring Sharia in the western world a This is a fantasy that is born out of spending too much time on messageboards and not enough in reality. I get that you think that creeping sharia is on the horizon; go see a doctor about your anxiety issues, is my advice, because that statement is so far from reality that I can't imagine you'd take any other advice I'd give.
  - tmptmp 10y ago
    >>This is a fantasy that is born out of spending too much time on messageboards and not enough in reality. Hope this [1] helps you see some reality. It seems UK has already allowed the barbaric and inhumane Sharia to exist there. So, that's not at all fantasy. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DsG9yQrdD4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DsG9yQrdD4

hyperdunc 10y ago

Concerns about Islam were certainly a fairly major contributor to Trump's victory. Many on the left - especially the so-called progressives - are blind to the danger of Islamism. To those who recognize and prioritize the problem, Trump was the obvious choice. The charges of bigotry so often heard no longer work. Such labeling cannot suppress the fact that Islamist values (based on revelation) are incompatible with Western secular values, (which are based on evidence and reason). Now if it turns out climate change is a bigger concern than creeping Islamism then we're in trouble.

iuhgdwij 10y ago

A good first step might be to require a yellow half moon to be attached to every muslims chest while in public. And one starry night, let's go crush the windows of muslim-owned shops. That is how we started dealing with the Jewish issue here in Europe a couple of years ago. (this comment is obviously sarcasm)