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There probably won't be a wall. Most likely, few of the promises / threats of the campaign will materialize. It just might turn out that Trump will be a very

There probably won't be a wall. Most likely, few of the promises / threats of the campaign will materialize. It just might turn out that Trump will be a very moderate republican president. He just might have played a role for the last few years. A role that got him voters. Then again, he might not care at all about doing the actual job and let Pence run most of it. I still can't believe how Americans could actually elect someone like that. I understand a protest vote, but with that candidate... I guess the majority of voters just didn't care that he has no actual opinions, is an entitled, rich, insecure, macho, old generation 'man', and just projected their wishes for change, ignoring all of him they didn't want to think about. Republicans hold both houses and the presidency now, though. I guess Obama's legacy has been wiped out today. Oh well, the world will go on.

hueving 10y ago
Everyone I know who voted trump did not pick him to start with, but he was the only option to vote against Hillary Clinton. Trump could have been a rubber chicken and he probably still would have won.
- croon 10y ago
  Which is ridiculous. I'm not diminishing a Sophie's choice here, but that Trump somehow comes out on top in that comparison is a farce of reasoning.
  - hueving 10y ago
    It's only a farce if you don't believe that Hillary is representative of corrupt, career politicians. It seems many of the people I know who voted for him wouldn't care if he dropped his pants and took a shit in one of the Smithsonian museums. "At least he's not part of the establishment."
    - croon 10y ago
      No, she's definitely as much or as little corrupt as any other politician. And yes, your second point is spot on. which is the problem. The electorate focused on emails and assumed content of those emails for months, and ignored 400 problems with Trump. It wasn't a painless choice, but the correct choice sure as hell was obvious to anyone trying.
      - hueving 10y ago
        >No, she's definitely as much or as little corrupt as any other politician. Not according to the bought meetings via donations to the Clinton foundation. You need some significant evidence to show this is standard practice for all secretaries of state. Look, you clearly don't think there is anything to this corruption angle. Therein stems the disconnect between you and the typical Trump supporter. >The electorate focused on emails and assumed content of those emails for months, and ignored 400 problems with Trump. The media focus on Trump was about him being offensive or using a tax loss carryover. The email scandal is about violations of the law with regard to the handling of state secrets. Then pretending she didn't understand classification, etc. >It wasn't a painless choice, but the correct choice sure as hell was obvious to anyone trying. Right, anyone trying to justify their preconceived notions. You ignore the corruption and two-tiered legal treatment, Trump supporters ignored the pussy grabbing talk and other non-PC shit he spews.
        croon 10y ago
        > You ignore the corruption and two-tiered legal treatment, Trump supporters ignored the pussy grabbing talk and other non-PC shit he spews. Sure, that's all you ignore.... * Deleting of emails against a court order [1] * Scamming students out of money [2] * Refusing to pay workers [3] * Violating visa rules [4] * Violating the Cuba embargo [5] I could go on, but I guess it's pointless. Like you said: preconceived notions. Good luck with your president, you'll need it. [1] http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-de... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-university/485060/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-un... [3] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/0... [4] https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d [5] http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059?rm=eu http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro...
blt 10y ago
The world will go on, but he is likely to appoint supreme court justices who will set back justice and equality in this country for many decades.
philliphaydon 10y ago
People keep saying "that candidate" like Hillary was any better. They are both literally the worst candidates in American history. The entire election should have been called off, both candidates barred from running, and start again. However, at the end of the day, all it shows is that despite that people think, democracy won.
- pedalpete 10y ago
  These were the two people chosen by the parties to represent them. Just because they are the worst in history does not invalidate the election, and it isn't like you can call off an election because you don't have a worthy opponent. I suspect the democrats are regretting throwing Bernie under the bus.
buchanaf 10y ago
"Oh well, the world will go on." Will it though? We have a frisky Russia, trouble brewing in the South China Sea, and the Middle East/ISIS/Syria. A large reason why these conflicts are not worse is because of the restraint shown by the US and the other parties involved. We have essentially just put a child behind the greatest military force in the world.
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  Are you calling Obama a child? Because he has been the president for the last 8 years while all these problems have been mounting.
- inimino 10y ago
  Trump is not his persona. He has little choice but to be much more moderate than the rhetoric that got him elected.
  - buchanaf 10y ago
    Maybe... but that's what people said after the primary elections and it wasn't toned down much. At the end of the day, Trump is a nihilist and an egotist that feeds of off the passion of his supporters. "Trump" the persona is what fired up his supporters and is what won him the election. I think he will stick with it.
  - stoic 10y ago
    Are you sure?
    - inimino 10y ago
      Yes. Were you paying attention to the rhetoric that got him elected? A lot of it, if taken literally, was literally impossible. It worked, but it shouldn't be taken too seriously beyond that. Will he have some interesting policies? Yes. Will he follow through on many of the crazy things he said while campaigning? No.
Hydraulix989 10y ago
What do you mean by "masochistic"?
- the_duke 10y ago
  Whoops, I meant to write macho.
ytpete 10y ago
> Oh well, the world will go on. The world will go on, but I really wonder what America's place in it will become. Will America be diminished as a leader among nations? How powerful will our economic engine remain if it becomes more isolated? How influential will we be in world affairs? Things like this don't change overnight, but I fear by the time it's evident they've started slipping it's a long, long road to ever claw your way back.
- spiderfarmer 10y ago
  Well, a large part of the world was seeing Trump as very unfavorable. Respect will have to be earned. We'll see.
  - r00fus 10y ago
    How will Trump attempt to earn it? And who pays the price?
    - spiderfarmer 10y ago
      Hopefully by being respectful himself and doing a 180 on a lot of remarks he made during this campaign.
      - pshposh 10y ago
        Still waiting for the pivot? Won't happen.
        spiderfarmer 10y ago
        Never expected it during the campaign. But the campaign and the presidency are two entirely different things. I hope he breaks a lot of promises.
        r00fus 10y ago
        Oh, he's going to break promises (all Presidents have), but probably not the ones you'd prefer he breaks. Ultimately Trump has shown a stark lack of concern whether his promises are kept or not.
c3534l 10y ago
I thought it was absurd to entertain the idea that he was a serious candidate for the republican ticket. And I thought it was absurd to think he would win tonight. A new great wall of China is absurd, too. But that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.
slg 10y ago
>Oh well, the world will go on. This sounds like a statement from someone of privileged. You might be willing to take those risks that Donald Trump is not the man he says he is. Either way, the world will likely go on for you. The world might not go on for the Muslim hoping to immigrate to our country. The world might not go on for the citizen of Mexican descent who might see their parents deported. The world might not go on for the poor pregnant women who might not get access to a safe abortion. The world might not go on for the diabetic who can no longer afford insurance because of their preexisting condition. The world might not go on for the teenage girl who seems a president who brags about sexually assaulting women. The world might not go on for the gay man who might lose the ability to marry the person he loves. The world might not go on for the black teen who is stopped and frisked. The world might not go on for the trans person who is no longer allowed in the bathroom in which they feel the most comfortable.
- the_duke 10y ago
  I don't live in the US (anymore), so it doesn't really affect me. You bring up some valid points. But a lot of what you mention is very much bound to state administration and legislation. Of course federal laws and the supreme court can have a big impact, but the states still have a lot of say in the matter. And even if Clinton had won, with the current climate, she wouldn't get much through Congress or Senate. Then again, a different candidate than her might have helped to flip the senate. What I mostly meant by that: it's done, he won. Have to deal with it now.
  - lunula 10y ago
    > I don't live in the US (anymore), so it doesn't really affect me. Nor do I, but this person is the standard bearer for the stable world order that has helped lift many of us out of poverty, and has promised to continue doing so. That world order is pretty chill, in comparison to historical standards. It seems rash to claim maintaining it doesn't matter, and that's exactly what this rich white man has campaigned on.
- deleted 10y ago
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sametmax 10y ago
Well, we spent the last month saying "nobody will take him seriously. Then "he will never get elected". Now I think saying "he will never do what he said he would" is pretending we are able to know what's going on and what will happen like we weren't dead wrong the whole time before. Let's shut up and see.
551199 10y ago
This election is about establishment vs anti-establishment. People over globalisation. Remember Bernie Sanders? Anyone who has done their thinking themselves instead of CNN/FOX/MSNBC has seen this for months. Against Trump were GOP, Democrats, left and right Media, Special Interests, all the nasty smear campaign and he still pulled through. You do know that the wall is already there and even Clinton voted for it? Just need to be finished. [0] Just because you haven't taken the time to look at Trumps positions doesn't mean he hasn't any. You can find them from Presidents website.[1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 [1]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/
- the_duke 10y ago
  He flip flopped on his positions whenever it was convenient. Just a few years ago, he was a Democrat, pro abortion, etc. Do you really think a man of that age suddenly completely changes his views? And then again about every month (or hour) during the campaign?
  - 551199 10y ago
    And Clinton has Private and Public views. I get that you haven't followed Trump, but in that case you shouldn't attack him either with partial information. The Direct Democracy President 'Months ago, when Trump stumbled on his answer about criminal penalties for women who seek illegal abortions, the public went nuts, and Trump immediately corrected his position. That’s direct democracy. Trump heard the opinion of the majority and instantly adopted it. Consider Trump’s proposal to ban all Muslim immigration. The public felt his position was too extreme, and let him know. Eventually, Trump softened his stance to talk about countries of origin, not religion. The public still wasn’t pleased, so Trump softened again to his current position of “extreme vetting.” That evolution in policy looks like direct democracy to me. The public told Trump what it wanted, and Trump evolved to it. Likewise, we found out this week that Trump’s plan to deport 11 million Mexicans living in the United States illegally has some wiggle room. Maybe there won’t be so much deporting after all. Because the public doesn’t want it.'[0] [0]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149321013966/the-direct-democracy-president http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149321013966/the-direct-democra...

hueving 10y ago

Everyone I know who voted trump did not pick him to start with, but he was the only option to vote against Hillary Clinton. Trump could have been a rubber chicken and he probably still would have won.

croon 10y ago
Which is ridiculous. I'm not diminishing a Sophie's choice here, but that Trump somehow comes out on top in that comparison is a farce of reasoning.
- hueving 10y ago
  It's only a farce if you don't believe that Hillary is representative of corrupt, career politicians. It seems many of the people I know who voted for him wouldn't care if he dropped his pants and took a shit in one of the Smithsonian museums. "At least he's not part of the establishment."
  - croon 10y ago
    No, she's definitely as much or as little corrupt as any other politician. And yes, your second point is spot on. which is the problem. The electorate focused on emails and assumed content of those emails for months, and ignored 400 problems with Trump. It wasn't a painless choice, but the correct choice sure as hell was obvious to anyone trying.
    - hueving 10y ago
      >No, she's definitely as much or as little corrupt as any other politician. Not according to the bought meetings via donations to the Clinton foundation. You need some significant evidence to show this is standard practice for all secretaries of state. Look, you clearly don't think there is anything to this corruption angle. Therein stems the disconnect between you and the typical Trump supporter. >The electorate focused on emails and assumed content of those emails for months, and ignored 400 problems with Trump. The media focus on Trump was about him being offensive or using a tax loss carryover. The email scandal is about violations of the law with regard to the handling of state secrets. Then pretending she didn't understand classification, etc. >It wasn't a painless choice, but the correct choice sure as hell was obvious to anyone trying. Right, anyone trying to justify their preconceived notions. You ignore the corruption and two-tiered legal treatment, Trump supporters ignored the pussy grabbing talk and other non-PC shit he spews.
      - croon 10y ago
        > You ignore the corruption and two-tiered legal treatment, Trump supporters ignored the pussy grabbing talk and other non-PC shit he spews. Sure, that's all you ignore.... * Deleting of emails against a court order [1] * Scamming students out of money [2] * Refusing to pay workers [3] * Violating visa rules [4] * Violating the Cuba embargo [5] I could go on, but I guess it's pointless. Like you said: preconceived notions. Good luck with your president, you'll need it. [1] http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-de... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-university/485060/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-un... [3] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/0... [4] https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d [5] http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059?rm=eu http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro...

blt 10y ago

The world will go on, but he is likely to appoint supreme court justices who will set back justice and equality in this country for many decades.

philliphaydon 10y ago

People keep saying "that candidate" like Hillary was any better. They are both literally the worst candidates in American history. The entire election should have been called off, both candidates barred from running, and start again. However, at the end of the day, all it shows is that despite that people think, democracy won.

pedalpete 10y ago
These were the two people chosen by the parties to represent them. Just because they are the worst in history does not invalidate the election, and it isn't like you can call off an election because you don't have a worthy opponent. I suspect the democrats are regretting throwing Bernie under the bus.

buchanaf 10y ago

"Oh well, the world will go on." Will it though? We have a frisky Russia, trouble brewing in the South China Sea, and the Middle East/ISIS/Syria. A large reason why these conflicts are not worse is because of the restraint shown by the US and the other parties involved. We have essentially just put a child behind the greatest military force in the world.

WillPostForFood 10y ago
Are you calling Obama a child? Because he has been the president for the last 8 years while all these problems have been mounting.
inimino 10y ago
Trump is not his persona. He has little choice but to be much more moderate than the rhetoric that got him elected.
- buchanaf 10y ago
  Maybe... but that's what people said after the primary elections and it wasn't toned down much. At the end of the day, Trump is a nihilist and an egotist that feeds of off the passion of his supporters. "Trump" the persona is what fired up his supporters and is what won him the election. I think he will stick with it.
- stoic 10y ago
  Are you sure?
  - inimino 10y ago
    Yes. Were you paying attention to the rhetoric that got him elected? A lot of it, if taken literally, was literally impossible. It worked, but it shouldn't be taken too seriously beyond that. Will he have some interesting policies? Yes. Will he follow through on many of the crazy things he said while campaigning? No.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

What do you mean by "masochistic"?

the_duke 10y ago
Whoops, I meant to write macho.

ytpete 10y ago

> Oh well, the world will go on. The world will go on, but I really wonder what America's place in it will become. Will America be diminished as a leader among nations? How powerful will our economic engine remain if it becomes more isolated? How influential will we be in world affairs? Things like this don't change overnight, but I fear by the time it's evident they've started slipping it's a long, long road to ever claw your way back.

spiderfarmer 10y ago
Well, a large part of the world was seeing Trump as very unfavorable. Respect will have to be earned. We'll see.
- r00fus 10y ago
  How will Trump attempt to earn it? And who pays the price?
  - spiderfarmer 10y ago
    Hopefully by being respectful himself and doing a 180 on a lot of remarks he made during this campaign.
    - pshposh 10y ago
      Still waiting for the pivot? Won't happen.
      - spiderfarmer 10y ago
        Never expected it during the campaign. But the campaign and the presidency are two entirely different things. I hope he breaks a lot of promises.
        r00fus 10y ago
        Oh, he's going to break promises (all Presidents have), but probably not the ones you'd prefer he breaks. Ultimately Trump has shown a stark lack of concern whether his promises are kept or not.

c3534l 10y ago

I thought it was absurd to entertain the idea that he was a serious candidate for the republican ticket. And I thought it was absurd to think he would win tonight. A new great wall of China is absurd, too. But that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

slg 10y ago

>Oh well, the world will go on. This sounds like a statement from someone of privileged. You might be willing to take those risks that Donald Trump is not the man he says he is. Either way, the world will likely go on for you. The world might not go on for the Muslim hoping to immigrate to our country. The world might not go on for the citizen of Mexican descent who might see their parents deported. The world might not go on for the poor pregnant women who might not get access to a safe abortion. The world might not go on for the diabetic who can no longer afford insurance because of their preexisting condition. The world might not go on for the teenage girl who seems a president who brags about sexually assaulting women. The world might not go on for the gay man who might lose the ability to marry the person he loves. The world might not go on for the black teen who is stopped and frisked. The world might not go on for the trans person who is no longer allowed in the bathroom in which they feel the most comfortable.

the_duke 10y ago
I don't live in the US (anymore), so it doesn't really affect me. You bring up some valid points. But a lot of what you mention is very much bound to state administration and legislation. Of course federal laws and the supreme court can have a big impact, but the states still have a lot of say in the matter. And even if Clinton had won, with the current climate, she wouldn't get much through Congress or Senate. Then again, a different candidate than her might have helped to flip the senate. What I mostly meant by that: it's done, he won. Have to deal with it now.
- lunula 10y ago
  > I don't live in the US (anymore), so it doesn't really affect me. Nor do I, but this person is the standard bearer for the stable world order that has helped lift many of us out of poverty, and has promised to continue doing so. That world order is pretty chill, in comparison to historical standards. It seems rash to claim maintaining it doesn't matter, and that's exactly what this rich white man has campaigned on.
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sametmax 10y ago

Well, we spent the last month saying "nobody will take him seriously. Then "he will never get elected". Now I think saying "he will never do what he said he would" is pretending we are able to know what's going on and what will happen like we weren't dead wrong the whole time before. Let's shut up and see.

551199 10y ago

This election is about establishment vs anti-establishment. People over globalisation. Remember Bernie Sanders? Anyone who has done their thinking themselves instead of CNN/FOX/MSNBC has seen this for months. Against Trump were GOP, Democrats, left and right Media, Special Interests, all the nasty smear campaign and he still pulled through. You do know that the wall is already there and even Clinton voted for it? Just need to be finished. [0] Just because you haven't taken the time to look at Trumps positions doesn't mean he hasn't any. You can find them from Presidents website.[1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 [1]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

the_duke 10y ago
He flip flopped on his positions whenever it was convenient. Just a few years ago, he was a Democrat, pro abortion, etc. Do you really think a man of that age suddenly completely changes his views? And then again about every month (or hour) during the campaign?
- 551199 10y ago
  And Clinton has Private and Public views. I get that you haven't followed Trump, but in that case you shouldn't attack him either with partial information. The Direct Democracy President 'Months ago, when Trump stumbled on his answer about criminal penalties for women who seek illegal abortions, the public went nuts, and Trump immediately corrected his position. That’s direct democracy. Trump heard the opinion of the majority and instantly adopted it. Consider Trump’s proposal to ban all Muslim immigration. The public felt his position was too extreme, and let him know. Eventually, Trump softened his stance to talk about countries of origin, not religion. The public still wasn’t pleased, so Trump softened again to his current position of “extreme vetting.” That evolution in policy looks like direct democracy to me. The public told Trump what it wanted, and Trump evolved to it. Likewise, we found out this week that Trump’s plan to deport 11 million Mexicans living in the United States illegally has some wiggle room. Maybe there won’t be so much deporting after all. Because the public doesn’t want it.'[0] [0]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149321013966/the-direct-democracy-president http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149321013966/the-direct-democra...