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Norway: http://m.finn.no/job/fulltime/search.html?occupation=0.23&filters= http://m.finn.no/job/fulltime/search.html?occupation=0.23&fi... 281 java positions,

by erikbye 10y ago

Norway: http://m.finn.no/job/fulltime/search.html?occupation=0.23&filters= http://m.finn.no/job/fulltime/search.html?occupation=0.23&fi... 281 java positions, 182 c#, 91 c++ New ones coming in every day. There is a lot of demand here for skilled developers, most positions are not for startups, but established business. Software developer salary is typically lower than in the US, but then again, cost of living (as far as apartment rent goes(in Oslo)) is lower than in SV. C#/Java back-end salary usually range from 600,000 NOK (73 188 dollar, at the low end, not much experience, poor resume) to 1,000,000 NOK (121 980 dollar, senior). The average developer salary in Oslo is at 106k (dollar). National average is 82k, most attractive jobs, and salaries, tend to be in Oslo.

ayberk 10y ago
What about the language barrier? Would English be enough?
- erikbye 10y ago
  At least in the beginning, and for many companies. International hires is common. There are quite a few offices where English is the official language, as well. You can see that a lot of ads on the site is in English.
- chillax 10y ago
  for consulting learning norwegian would probably be an advantage.
  - erikbye 10y ago
    It's implicitly understood that learning a country's official language(s) is an advantage.
    - janoc 10y ago
      In Scandinavia you could get by with English as a lot of people speak it, but for business dealings you need to learn the local language. If nothing else you will need to communicate with the authorities constantly - immigration/work permit matters, insurances, health care, etc. So don't expect English to carry you far unless you know at least the basics of the local language.
      - rhblake 10y ago
        Not merely a lot (in Sweden, anyway) - I'd say the vast majority of Swedes are fluent in English; of course more or less so but I don't think I've ever met a Swede who couldn't at the very least hold a basic conversation in English. And that goes for authorities too. Had a non-Swedish partner for a few years who always communicated in English in all interactions with Sweden's governmental services - no problem. All important government websites are available in English. Knowing Swedish isn't even a requirement for citizenship. So while knowing Swedish is certainly very beneficial and recommended, you can certainly get by without it, and work for many interesting companies (at least as a developer).
        groovy2shoes 10y ago
        My wife and I spent two weeks in Sweden (well, two of those days were spent in Oslo...), and we only encountered one person who didn't speak English. He was a pizzaman/bartender in Nynäshamn, and luckily all the dudes sitting at the bar translated for us in drunken semi-unison :) (Honestly, though, we probably would've gotten along fine without the translators, as we'd spent a couple months with Rosetta Stone before traveling... we were/are far from fluent, sure, but good enough to order a pizza, I'd imagine ;) ).
        janoc 10y ago
        I lived in Denmark for 5 years and yes, it has been like that. However, all the paperwork you will need to handle will still come in the official language, not in English. All contracts and legal documents will be in that language as well. So not knowing at least the basics will handicap you severely. I have learned enough of Danish to be able to read the paperwork and do some basic writen communication. That's really the minimum to get you by. Spoken Danish was a bit too much - the saying that Danish is not a language but a throat disease is not far from the truth!
- dzhiurgis 10y ago
  Looking at the brackets in original post it's mostly Lisp
  - Johnny_Brahms 10y ago
    I know it was a joke, but we might actually be hiring someone to do scheme development (in Sweden, not Norway). We started as a mostly delphi shop doing software for smaller private healthcare businesses. Most of our internal tooling evolved started as one-off scripts I wrote in guile. Our business grew to deliver huge installations on tens of thousands of computers, and our internal tooling grew as well. We have well over 100k lines of scheme. Since it works well, we don't really want to invest in porting it. We tried rewriting our macro system in python, but it was god-awfully slow, and ended up being harder to read. With scheme, we can just rely on syntax-case to de-construct the macros, which is not only fast but also easy to extend.
    - snowcrshd 10y ago
      This looks pretty interesting. Would you have a jobs listing page somewhere? I've dabbled in scheme, though I'm most proficient at Clojure.
- staticelf 10y ago
  I am from Sweden and basically everyone here (except some immigrants) speak english very fluently. You would have no issues living in any Nordic country with only English. I worked at a pretty international company before where there was several individuals whom had lived in Sweden for several years without even bothering to learn the language. Don't be that guy or gal though, Swedes don't like it when you live here for years without learning anything. Norway is the same, same with Finland and Denmark. You are welcome, if you ever consider moving I could probably give you some tips of potential employers!
  - tasnimreza 10y ago
    Hey I'm moving at Gothenburg around end of November, anything should i consider?
    - staticelf 10y ago
      Don't move to the ghetto. I don't know what places are bad to live in Gothenburg but I am sure you can look it up. But regarding employers, I don't know that many in Gothenburg but you could look up Fast2 maybe?
      - reitanqild 10y ago
        Parts of Gothemburg is actually bad I understand. Even police refuse to go there.
  - zeus_hammer 10y ago
    I've been strongly considering moving since spending a semester abroad. Any potential employers or leads you think I should consider? Email's in profile so feel free to pm
    - staticelf 10y ago
      You can check some work at https://www.uptrail.com/ https://www.uptrail.com/ for example. I am actually in the making of a swedish job site for developers. But you will have to wait for that one though. Otherwise, you can search for your language of choice at https://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/ https://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/. I am sure lots of jobs will turn up, at least in Stockholm. What you want to do is probably to use Google Translate on that webpage or something because their english version sucks ass.
- kmfrk 10y ago
  The Nordic countries and Finland have the highest proficiency in English as a foreign language, so you'll have no problem communicating with them. And the Duolingo app has Norwegian, too. :)
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  Sometimes English is enough to get through a workplace at times - a lot of tech jobs have English speaking workplaces, for example. Outside of some industries, however, learning the language is nearly required. Socially, however, you'll likely find you'll want to learn the local language. English does get you pretty far, however, and a lot of folks speak English to varying degrees.
bpicolo 10y ago
Rent is about the only thing in Norway that's cheaper, though. (And it's far more expensive in Oslo than most of the US, no?) That said, loved Norway when I visited
- erikbye 10y ago
  NA being so diverse I'm not sure which city I should compare to, but compared to the larger cities I'm not sure it's considerably more expensive, in terms of rent alone. E.g., NY is more expensive than Oslo. Rent prices in Oslo haven't boomed in paralell with the real estate market, so it's not that bad. And opting for something outside the city-centre, but still just a short commute (10-20 min by train/metro), is always an option. Those of you who live in SF, how accurate are the rent numbers here? For Oslo they seem about right. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&country2=United+States&city1=Oslo&city2=San+Francisco%2C+CA https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... If the rent prices for SF specified here reflects reality, then any other living cost in Oslo is easily offset, comparatively.
  - groovy2shoes 10y ago
    You're picking regions in the US that easily have some of the very most expensive costs of living in the country. Compare Durham, NC, for example: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&country2=United+States&city1=Oslo&city2=Durham%2C+NC https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... Durham isn't some tiny village or one-horse town. It's part of the North Carolina capital metropolitan area; on the edge of the Research Triangle Park (where there are tons of jobs); in near proximity of 3 reputable research universities, offering first-class medical, engineering, veterinary, and agricultural programs, among others (Duke, UNC, and NCSU — thus, the "Triangle"); home to an international airport; birthplace of Clojure, while Epic Games and RedHat Headquarters are just down the road in Raleigh, and GamebaseUSA is just across the road in Chapel Hill, while hundreds of companies, many of whom you've heard of, either call the Triangle area home or have major satellite offices in the area. It's got mild weather, a fantastic craft beer scene, great culture, and frequently makes it on "Top 10" lists for quality of life and business climate. Starting salaries for junior software engineers start at around $65-75K, but within 3 years in the industry, I was already earning 6 figures — and that money goes a long way in the area due to the low cost-of-living.
wallzz 10y ago
I visited Oslo last week, and I have to say that its one of the best cities I have ever been to, people are very welcoming, streets are clean, everything is almost perfect.
- simonswords82 10y ago
  Have you been to any other European cities at all for comparison? For example I think Barcelona is a very clean and welcoming city, so is Amsterdam come to think of it.
  - wallzz 10y ago
    I have been to Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Oslo ..Barcelona is a nice city, but it has the disadvantage of big cities.
    - koide 10y ago
      In my experience, Nordic people are extremely polite, but not really welcoming. They do not actually care about you as a human being, they just care about a nice, polite interchange. Going from that politeness to something more is hard. YMMV.

by erikbye 10y ago

ayberk 10y ago

What about the language barrier? Would English be enough?

erikbye 10y ago
At least in the beginning, and for many companies. International hires is common. There are quite a few offices where English is the official language, as well. You can see that a lot of ads on the site is in English.
chillax 10y ago
for consulting learning norwegian would probably be an advantage.
- erikbye 10y ago
  It's implicitly understood that learning a country's official language(s) is an advantage.
  - janoc 10y ago
    In Scandinavia you could get by with English as a lot of people speak it, but for business dealings you need to learn the local language. If nothing else you will need to communicate with the authorities constantly - immigration/work permit matters, insurances, health care, etc. So don't expect English to carry you far unless you know at least the basics of the local language.
    - rhblake 10y ago
      Not merely a lot (in Sweden, anyway) - I'd say the vast majority of Swedes are fluent in English; of course more or less so but I don't think I've ever met a Swede who couldn't at the very least hold a basic conversation in English. And that goes for authorities too. Had a non-Swedish partner for a few years who always communicated in English in all interactions with Sweden's governmental services - no problem. All important government websites are available in English. Knowing Swedish isn't even a requirement for citizenship. So while knowing Swedish is certainly very beneficial and recommended, you can certainly get by without it, and work for many interesting companies (at least as a developer).
      - groovy2shoes 10y ago
        My wife and I spent two weeks in Sweden (well, two of those days were spent in Oslo...), and we only encountered one person who didn't speak English. He was a pizzaman/bartender in Nynäshamn, and luckily all the dudes sitting at the bar translated for us in drunken semi-unison :) (Honestly, though, we probably would've gotten along fine without the translators, as we'd spent a couple months with Rosetta Stone before traveling... we were/are far from fluent, sure, but good enough to order a pizza, I'd imagine ;) ).
      - janoc 10y ago
        I lived in Denmark for 5 years and yes, it has been like that. However, all the paperwork you will need to handle will still come in the official language, not in English. All contracts and legal documents will be in that language as well. So not knowing at least the basics will handicap you severely. I have learned enough of Danish to be able to read the paperwork and do some basic writen communication. That's really the minimum to get you by. Spoken Danish was a bit too much - the saying that Danish is not a language but a throat disease is not far from the truth!
dzhiurgis 10y ago
Looking at the brackets in original post it's mostly Lisp
- Johnny_Brahms 10y ago
  I know it was a joke, but we might actually be hiring someone to do scheme development (in Sweden, not Norway). We started as a mostly delphi shop doing software for smaller private healthcare businesses. Most of our internal tooling evolved started as one-off scripts I wrote in guile. Our business grew to deliver huge installations on tens of thousands of computers, and our internal tooling grew as well. We have well over 100k lines of scheme. Since it works well, we don't really want to invest in porting it. We tried rewriting our macro system in python, but it was god-awfully slow, and ended up being harder to read. With scheme, we can just rely on syntax-case to de-construct the macros, which is not only fast but also easy to extend.
  - snowcrshd 10y ago
    This looks pretty interesting. Would you have a jobs listing page somewhere? I've dabbled in scheme, though I'm most proficient at Clojure.
staticelf 10y ago
I am from Sweden and basically everyone here (except some immigrants) speak english very fluently. You would have no issues living in any Nordic country with only English. I worked at a pretty international company before where there was several individuals whom had lived in Sweden for several years without even bothering to learn the language. Don't be that guy or gal though, Swedes don't like it when you live here for years without learning anything. Norway is the same, same with Finland and Denmark. You are welcome, if you ever consider moving I could probably give you some tips of potential employers!
- tasnimreza 10y ago
  Hey I'm moving at Gothenburg around end of November, anything should i consider?
  - staticelf 10y ago
    Don't move to the ghetto. I don't know what places are bad to live in Gothenburg but I am sure you can look it up. But regarding employers, I don't know that many in Gothenburg but you could look up Fast2 maybe?
    - reitanqild 10y ago
      Parts of Gothemburg is actually bad I understand. Even police refuse to go there.
- zeus_hammer 10y ago
  I've been strongly considering moving since spending a semester abroad. Any potential employers or leads you think I should consider? Email's in profile so feel free to pm
  - staticelf 10y ago
    You can check some work at https://www.uptrail.com/ https://www.uptrail.com/ for example. I am actually in the making of a swedish job site for developers. But you will have to wait for that one though. Otherwise, you can search for your language of choice at https://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/ https://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/. I am sure lots of jobs will turn up, at least in Stockholm. What you want to do is probably to use Google Translate on that webpage or something because their english version sucks ass.
kmfrk 10y ago
The Nordic countries and Finland have the highest proficiency in English as a foreign language, so you'll have no problem communicating with them. And the Duolingo app has Norwegian, too. :)
Broken_Hippo 10y ago
Sometimes English is enough to get through a workplace at times - a lot of tech jobs have English speaking workplaces, for example. Outside of some industries, however, learning the language is nearly required. Socially, however, you'll likely find you'll want to learn the local language. English does get you pretty far, however, and a lot of folks speak English to varying degrees.

bpicolo 10y ago

Rent is about the only thing in Norway that's cheaper, though. (And it's far more expensive in Oslo than most of the US, no?) That said, loved Norway when I visited

erikbye 10y ago
NA being so diverse I'm not sure which city I should compare to, but compared to the larger cities I'm not sure it's considerably more expensive, in terms of rent alone. E.g., NY is more expensive than Oslo. Rent prices in Oslo haven't boomed in paralell with the real estate market, so it's not that bad. And opting for something outside the city-centre, but still just a short commute (10-20 min by train/metro), is always an option. Those of you who live in SF, how accurate are the rent numbers here? For Oslo they seem about right. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&country2=United+States&city1=Oslo&city2=San+Francisco%2C+CA https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... If the rent prices for SF specified here reflects reality, then any other living cost in Oslo is easily offset, comparatively.
- groovy2shoes 10y ago
  You're picking regions in the US that easily have some of the very most expensive costs of living in the country. Compare Durham, NC, for example: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&country2=United+States&city1=Oslo&city2=Durham%2C+NC https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... Durham isn't some tiny village or one-horse town. It's part of the North Carolina capital metropolitan area; on the edge of the Research Triangle Park (where there are tons of jobs); in near proximity of 3 reputable research universities, offering first-class medical, engineering, veterinary, and agricultural programs, among others (Duke, UNC, and NCSU — thus, the "Triangle"); home to an international airport; birthplace of Clojure, while Epic Games and RedHat Headquarters are just down the road in Raleigh, and GamebaseUSA is just across the road in Chapel Hill, while hundreds of companies, many of whom you've heard of, either call the Triangle area home or have major satellite offices in the area. It's got mild weather, a fantastic craft beer scene, great culture, and frequently makes it on "Top 10" lists for quality of life and business climate. Starting salaries for junior software engineers start at around $65-75K, but within 3 years in the industry, I was already earning 6 figures — and that money goes a long way in the area due to the low cost-of-living.

wallzz 10y ago

I visited Oslo last week, and I have to say that its one of the best cities I have ever been to, people are very welcoming, streets are clean, everything is almost perfect.

simonswords82 10y ago
Have you been to any other European cities at all for comparison? For example I think Barcelona is a very clean and welcoming city, so is Amsterdam come to think of it.
- wallzz 10y ago
  I have been to Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Oslo ..Barcelona is a nice city, but it has the disadvantage of big cities.
  - koide 10y ago
    In my experience, Nordic people are extremely polite, but not really welcoming. They do not actually care about you as a human being, they just care about a nice, polite interchange. Going from that politeness to something more is hard. YMMV.