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Have you heard of: law ?

by xname2 10y ago

gonvaled 10y ago
When law opposes fundamental human rights, like moving around, and working honestly wherever you want to, giving your best and fighting for your chances in any place in Earth that you decide to call your home, that law is unfair.
- angersock 10y ago
  That's a great strawman you've got there. None of us would advocate such a law. The fact is that while they sell you on "moving around", they also remove the market barriers that keep you employed and help you earn gas to move and a house to live in. That's the part of the thing you're not addressing.
  - gonvaled 10y ago
    So you tell me that they use tricks to sell you one (good) thing and implement another (bad thing)? And you think they are not going to continue to do that? Specially with somebody at the helm that has been privately doing exactly that for a long time? The USA will need to compete in the global market to sell its products. That means the USA will need to use globalization in order to find the best place to produce with quality and to be able to compete in price. So, retreating from globalization is not an option. You can avoid people entering the country, but this is not going to make your country any richer. And that is for sure not going to guarantee that inequality is going to decrease. For that, you need to tackle inequality directly, by collaborating internationally to avoid loopholes (double Irish and such crap) that steals revenue from countries and concentrates in the hand of the global financial elite. Trump is not going to do any of that.
    - angersock 10y ago
      Trump is going to do whatever it is he does before getting impeached--the sooner, the better. What I'm driving at isn't just for the US--it's for all the countries. You can't bootstrap your economy by opening yourself to being exploited by multinationals, by shipping your resources off in the form of trinkets, regardless how many factory shirtmaker jobs it produces. The problem of globalization is that it allows advanced economies to entrap developing markets, shipping them goods they don't develop locally--similarly, it guts advanced economies which are unwilling to compete (read: leverage externalities like polluting the air) with developing economies in certain sectors. It also tends to end-run around local government by way of "harmonizing" accords, and makes governments subservient to the global market instead of the local people who they are supposed to govern.

Have you heard of: law ?

by xname2 10y ago

Have you heard of: law ?

When law opposes fundamental human rights, like moving around, and working honestly wherever you want to, giving your best and fighting for your chances in any place in Earth that you decide to call your home, that law is unfair.

angersock 10y ago
That's a great strawman you've got there. None of us would advocate such a law. The fact is that while they sell you on "moving around", they also remove the market barriers that keep you employed and help you earn gas to move and a house to live in. That's the part of the thing you're not addressing.
- gonvaled 10y ago
  So you tell me that they use tricks to sell you one (good) thing and implement another (bad thing)? And you think they are not going to continue to do that? Specially with somebody at the helm that has been privately doing exactly that for a long time? The USA will need to compete in the global market to sell its products. That means the USA will need to use globalization in order to find the best place to produce with quality and to be able to compete in price. So, retreating from globalization is not an option. You can avoid people entering the country, but this is not going to make your country any richer. And that is for sure not going to guarantee that inequality is going to decrease. For that, you need to tackle inequality directly, by collaborating internationally to avoid loopholes (double Irish and such crap) that steals revenue from countries and concentrates in the hand of the global financial elite. Trump is not going to do any of that.
  - angersock 10y ago
    Trump is going to do whatever it is he does before getting impeached--the sooner, the better. What I'm driving at isn't just for the US--it's for all the countries. You can't bootstrap your economy by opening yourself to being exploited by multinationals, by shipping your resources off in the form of trinkets, regardless how many factory shirtmaker jobs it produces. The problem of globalization is that it allows advanced economies to entrap developing markets, shipping them goods they don't develop locally--similarly, it guts advanced economies which are unwilling to compete (read: leverage externalities like polluting the air) with developing economies in certain sectors. It also tends to end-run around local government by way of "harmonizing" accords, and makes governments subservient to the global market instead of the local people who they are supposed to govern.