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Trump Nears Victory
- dudul 10y agoI guess all these medium posts from Silicon Valley techies didn't convince enough people...
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- davidbwire 10y agoTechies represent a small percentage of the entire population and the articles were mostly circulating within a closed loop.
- dudul 10y agoI really thought the sarcasm in my message was obvious.
- LargeCompanies 10y agoShe needed Tom Brady's endorsement to put her over the top...Jay Z, Beyoncé and every Hollywood singer and or actor just wasn't enough.
- douche 10y agoIt was Belicheck. Roger Goodell is going to fine him another million dollars and another first round pick for influencing the election.
- mtgx 10y agoPeople who voted for Trump saw right through them and through all the "we're just neutral and just trying to get people to vote" attempts. I mean, obviously people should go to vote and should be encouraged to vote. It's just that it was pretty much an open secret that the reason all of these tech companies and Silicon Valley people were suddenly "so involved" in getting people to vote, is because they thought most of the people they'd reach would vote for Clinton. And it's another open secret that most of Silicon Valley companies wanted Clinton to win. I, for one, would've welcomed attempts to fix the real democracy issues in the U.S. (which are far bigger than just low voter turnouts), and attempts to fix the real problems that got half of the country to vote for Trump. Hint: it's not just because of racism, but also because people are sick and tired of polished-up, corrupt politicians. Trump may be a very poor, or one of the worst possible alternatives to that, but at least he was an alternative. These people really don't get it why Trump and Sanders saw such a rise in popularity. Tuesday's Reuters poll shows black and white why. I'll just copy the results here: - 75 percent agree that "America needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful." - 72 percent agree "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful." - 68 percent agree that "traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me." - 76 percent believe "the mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth." - 57 percent feel that "more and more, I don't identify with what America has become." - 54 percent feel "it is increasingly hard for someone like me to get ahead in America." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-mood-idUSKBN1332NC?il=0 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-mood-idU... And if you're not convinced, or you still don't quite get it, listen to Michael Moore and Jimmy Dore explain it in more colorful terms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOcstHhtL4Y&feature=youtu.be&t=1m38s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOcstHhtL4Y&feature=youtu.be... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNwvXZbAfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNwvXZbAfg
- robg 10y agoOne upside: Peter Thiel on the Supreme Court is a sorely needed perspective on so many levels. Every current justice went to the same groupthink law schools and never worked outside the system.
- serge2k 10y agoHoly shit that sounds awful. The man doesn't believe in democracy and thinks the country went wrong when women got the vote.
- sloanesturz 10y agoHa - Peter Thiel went to the same groupthink law school!
- flojito 10y agoenjoy your vote :-(
- toomuchtodo 10y agoWe lost months ago, when the DNC rammed Clinton through over Sanders. EDIT: You simply cannot say it was the peoples' fault for not voting for her (pick someone electable next time); she had her choice between picking between what was best for her and what was best for the country, and we all lost because she was selfish. I hope Sanders supporters step up and begin purging DNC incumbents in down ballot races. It is the only way forward. EDIT 2: Sanders vs Trump polling: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge... http://www.270towin.com/maps/sanders-trump-electoral-map http://www.270towin.com/maps/sanders-trump-electoral-map http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/... And regardless how useless polling appears to be, its impossible to say that Sanders was a less liked candidate than either Clinton or Trump.
- djsumdog 10y agoThe people who were funding Trump/Hillary were funding them equally. Is doesn't matter who won, they banks, oil companies and large media conglomerates still control the country like they have for the past several decades. I see in our future ... the exact same presidency. More US led wars. More predator drones. More CIA guns and money to fund revolutions that we then fight with out predator drones. Just remember the election is like Whose Line is it Anyway, the points are all made up and none of it matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig
- aaronblohowiak 10y agoThe market wouldn't have taken such a dip if that were the case.
- omarchowdhury 10y agoHow were they funded equally? Hillary raised $687.1M versus Trump's $250M.
- erikbye 10y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...
- gozur88 10y ago>The people who were funding Trump/Hillary were funding them equally. Is doesn't matter who won, they banks, oil companies and large media conglomerates still control the country like they have for the past several decades. Yep. That's what makes it so hard for third party candidates. The donors fund both sides so they don't get left out in the cold if their guy loses. They have to believe you'll have a chance to win to fund you, and if they don't it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
- djsumdog 10y agoeh..that has less to do with funding and more to do with the First Past the Post system. Look at Australia's order of preference with instant run-off (you literally can't throw your vote away; plus voting is mandatory. There's a fine if you don't at least pretend to cast a valid ballot) or New Zealand's MMP. Both are a lot better at representing the public in parliament. The US system was actively designed to not be democratic. That's why we have an electoral college; the vote was (and still is) the peasants suggestion box.
- thewarrior 10y agoIt is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is for economic reasons or just plain bigotry is something for the sociologists to study and not something I can pontificate on. Also people seem to care a LOT about immigration and preserving their culture. Instead of patronising these people it's time we tried to understand their concerns and try to assuage them. There is no genuine leftist alternative. It's a choice between center-right "left" that's sold out to the establishment and the far right.Economists need to stop acting like priests in the medieval ages who justified the existing order . The rural voter who lost his job doesn't care about the theory of comparitive advantage. If this trend holds this will soon take hold in France and other European nations. This is a return to the world of the 1920s. Not gloom and doom but a much more unstable global order with every country for itself. Not what we need when we face planet scale threats like global warming. Get out of your bubble. Hang out more on subreddits you don't agree with. The divide is bridged one person at a time. Life goes on. EDIT: Its a shame they killed this thread.
- WalterSear 10y agohttp://i.imgur.com/YTMPBfW.png http://i.imgur.com/YTMPBfW.png
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- WaxProlix 10y agoHonestly it's impressive -- how do you lose to Donald Trump? Failed businessman and mediocre reality TV star. You've gotta be pretty good at what you do to fail over this guy.
- WalterSear 10y agoBy misunderstanding your audience.
- thecopy 10y agoApparently, being corrupt, mishandling classified information and lying on many occasions is enought.
- giarc 10y agoTo be devil's advocate, Trump lies all the time. Has he ever handled classified information? Are you confident he will handle it properly? Is he corrupt? Probably evidence that he's done some bad stuff (not paying contractors). So perhaps they are both failures and both the same, Hillary just did it on a bigger (more important) stage.
- 6nf 10y agoSure, Trump may be corrupt, but Hillary is definitely corrupt.
- codecamper 10y agoHillary. Corrupt? Ugh.
- gozur88 10y agoSo the choice was between someone known to be corrupt and someone about whom we have no evidence of corruption?
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- barsonme 10y agoI'll echo a comment I made on Facebook: I think Mark Zuckerberg's comments show both ways we can react to this election. You've got to decide: will you be constructive or destructive? "We can't create a culture that says it cares about diversity and then excludes almost half the country because they back a political candidate ... There are many reasons a person might support Trump that do not involve racism, sexism, xenophobia ..." I didn't vote for either candidate. So I'm not advocating either way. But I think America really, really needs to decide how it wants to take this and how it wants to move forward. We, by our actions and state of mind, choose whether this is a good or bad thing. Take control. Be constructive. Do good.
- yarou 10y agoIt's always easier to destroy than it is to create. When your god is Nihilism, especially so.
- heartbreak 10y agoAmerica decided it wants to move forward with the candidate it just elected for President. I may not agree with the candidate, but that's the decision that was made. That's how America decided to move forward. Perhaps you meant that the left needs to decide how it will move forward given this result.
- barsonme 10y agoThe right too. I have many friends who've taken to gloating over this. That won't help this divide, only widen it. If the right can't see past itself to be graceful in victory and try to understand the left's anxiety and worries it'll only make things worse.
- woodpanel 10y agoI feel the same way. But > But I think America really, really needs to decide how it wants to take this as a non-US-resident I'd say the US did already decide its action. Thats what the vote is for. In my opinion the people who need to take an honest look at themselves aren't the american voters, but the intelligentia, the "juste millieu". Not just in the US, but the whole West. I've tried to follow the news coverage here in Germany for almost the entire election this time, including primaries. The utter biasedness of journalism made it unbearable. I could switch between American, French, British or German TV channels - none of the channels did even bother to keep a disguise of "neutrality". Trump was pure evil, his voters deplorable and so on. I've kept telling people: "Don't underestimate his chances" and now I've never felt so sorry for being right.
- blondie9x 10y agoIf Clinton would have been a little tougher on immigration it wouldn't have even been close. That was one issue Trump supporters cared about most. If she spoke a little tougher on that she would have won.
- xname2 10y agoBut she needs the Latino votes.
- codeonfire 10y agoThe sad thing for Trump supporters is Trump wants visa slaves and fruit pickers just as bad as liberal elites. I predict no changes on immigration policy over the next few years.
- erikbye 10y agoWon my bet (it was not an endorsement).
- Kale_Rogers 10y agoIt's time to think about Plan B? Voting with your feet? Current status: Making plans on https://teleport.org https://teleport.org ... trying to find out where to move.
- broodbucket 10y agoReally sad to see so many members of the technical community act like brats on social media over the result. Whatever happened to respecting the viewpoints of others? Whatever happened to being humble in victory and respectful in defeat? Democracy means you don't always get what you want. Be excellent to each other, whether you voted for Trump, Clinton, a third party candidate, or nobody. It's tragic seeing people isolate themselves into echo chambers of ideological refuge.
- mtgx 10y agoWhat happened to Peter Thiel in the media and probably in more private circles was really shameful. Zuckerberg's counter-argument to that is probably the one time in the past few years when I agreed with him on something. https://s13.postimg.org/ohe1sci6f/mmexport1476831885441.jpg https://s13.postimg.org/ohe1sci6f/mmexport1476831885441.jpg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12739582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12739582
- unixhero 10y agoWell well Trump! I am going to go a head and grab some popcorn.
- siculars 10y agoThis. Buckle up, it's gonna be interesting if nothing else.
- siculars 10y agoIf you are a blue collar worker in the rust belt who lost his or her job because your factory moved to Mexico or China, there was no way you were voting for Clinton. And here we are. The echo chamber of CNN, MSNBC, NYT, et al., is deafening. If you've been watching these outlets you know that they have been calling the election for Clinton for more than six months. The arrogance is just stunning. And here we are. Now let's talk about the DNC. These folks are so crooked they literally colluded to steal the nomination from Sanders. How can that possibly sit well with anyone? Frankly, Bernie would have won vs. Trump. And here we are. And for these reasons and a host of others, here we are.
- codecamper 10y agoAnd now your blue collar can see his entire retirement check vanish in one day of market trading.
- AlexandrB 10y agoDoesn't matter to him because: A. He probably has no retirement savings. B. The fat-cat on Wall Street that cost him his job probably lost a lot more.
- mozumder 10y agoDefinitely encrypt all your communications. The Republicans are hardcore about violating any privacy rights (or any Bill of Rights) that they can, and will make sure to expand the NSA to spy on the US citizens communications. (it's currently illegal for the NSA to spy on US citizens comms..)
- inimino 10y agoHow's the Democrats' record in this area?
- serge2k 10y agoThe republicans have stalled for a year so they can stick in a justice who will let them get away with this shit. I'd be more worried about the rights of minority's and lgbtq people though. Oh and women.
- mozumder 10y agoUnder Obama, the Snowden leaks reveal that there are filters that remove communications from US citizens from NSA mass collection, to comply with law. Remember that this was a classified program that was leaked, so they were still being compliant when no one was looking. Trump obviously would remove those filters.
- gozur88 10y ago>...and will make sure to expand the NSA to spy on the US citizens communications. Like... Obama did?
- symlinkk 10y agolol at all the people here pretending like they saw this coming. this is a surprise for everyone. the NYT and every other major news outlet had Clinton winning with a chance of over 80%. the silent majority won.
- codecamper 10y agoflagged for what? this is the most f'ing important thing EVER. SCREW THE TRUMP GOVERNMENT. I"M DOING EVERYTHING IN BITCOIN.
- inimino 10y agoPolitical posts are usually flagged for the tendency to attract highly emotional, low-content comments.
- codecamper 10y agook buddy. flag on.
- pmoriarty 10y agoNow the nightmare begins.
- gdilla 10y agoOne can understand distaste for washington, globalization, politicians and middle america wishing for manufacturing jobs to come back, but to think Trump will fix any of those things is beyond comprehension.
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