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Because good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. Cliches of comparing Trump to Hitler are cliches for a reason.

by mvrekic 10y ago

mc32 10y ago
Are clichés you don't agree with also clichés for a reason (the internets also claim Hillary as another fascist, not just Trump)? So, that opinion sounds a bit dangerous to me. You'll have to offer a better reason for thinking he's a fascist than relying on clichés.
- ant6n 10y ago
  I'm getting slightly tired of the gaslighting on HN. Trump is not a fascist because of a difference of opinion. He's a fascist because he's a fascist. Sexual assault is also not a difference of opinion, it's a crime.
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  - mc32 10y ago
    So far as I know there isn't any outstanding warrant for him and he's not sequestered in an embassy --so I'm a bit surprised by this since I didn't see the same reaction. You see when someone in the community is accused it's easy to defend them, and it's also easy to accuse someone when we dislike them.
    - ant6n 10y ago
      The word 'fascist' is not the same as 'Hitler'. They're not the same thing. Fascism is an ideology that mixes corporatism with authoritarianism. From wikipedia: "Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]" Being a fascist doesn't mean there will automatically be warrant out for you, or that you have committed some sort of genocide.
- glenndebacker 10y ago
  There are a lot of objective parallels between the rise of Hitler and Trump. When people are comparing him with a facist it's not because they think that tomorrow he will build concentration camps but that he uses the same rhetoric. Hell in big lines you can compare the arguments that a Hitler used to get in power against that of a Trump and see the same stuff popping up again and again. Against the elite, the fault of a specific group, talking about deportations, bringing jobs back lost also by foreigners, inward views, derogatory views against foreign countries,... . The list goes on. We should respect the choice Americans make but when the world is reacting anxious it's about more than simple cliches.
Zach_the_Lizard 10y ago
>Because good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. As of right now the counts are showing a plurality of voters selected Clinton. What chose Trump is our antiquated election system that weighs rural voters more per capita. I'm no Clinton supporter--I despise the woman--but if I didn't live in NYC I'd have voted for her. I didn't bother because the system is set up so any extra votes in NY don't matter. If I were a Trump supporter I'd stay home for similar reasons.

Because good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. Cliches of comparing Trump to Hitler are cliches for a reason.

by mvrekic 10y ago

Because good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. Cliches of comparing Trump to Hitler are cliches for a reason.

mc32 10y ago

Are clichés you don't agree with also clichés for a reason (the internets also claim Hillary as another fascist, not just Trump)? So, that opinion sounds a bit dangerous to me. You'll have to offer a better reason for thinking he's a fascist than relying on clichés.

ant6n 10y ago
I'm getting slightly tired of the gaslighting on HN. Trump is not a fascist because of a difference of opinion. He's a fascist because he's a fascist. Sexual assault is also not a difference of opinion, it's a crime.
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- mc32 10y ago
  So far as I know there isn't any outstanding warrant for him and he's not sequestered in an embassy --so I'm a bit surprised by this since I didn't see the same reaction. You see when someone in the community is accused it's easy to defend them, and it's also easy to accuse someone when we dislike them.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    The word 'fascist' is not the same as 'Hitler'. They're not the same thing. Fascism is an ideology that mixes corporatism with authoritarianism. From wikipedia: "Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]" Being a fascist doesn't mean there will automatically be warrant out for you, or that you have committed some sort of genocide.
glenndebacker 10y ago
There are a lot of objective parallels between the rise of Hitler and Trump. When people are comparing him with a facist it's not because they think that tomorrow he will build concentration camps but that he uses the same rhetoric. Hell in big lines you can compare the arguments that a Hitler used to get in power against that of a Trump and see the same stuff popping up again and again. Against the elite, the fault of a specific group, talking about deportations, bringing jobs back lost also by foreigners, inward views, derogatory views against foreign countries,... . The list goes on. We should respect the choice Americans make but when the world is reacting anxious it's about more than simple cliches.

Zach_the_Lizard 10y ago

>Because good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. As of right now the counts are showing a plurality of voters selected Clinton. What chose Trump is our antiquated election system that weighs rural voters more per capita. I'm no Clinton supporter--I despise the woman--but if I didn't live in NYC I'd have voted for her. I didn't bother because the system is set up so any extra votes in NY don't matter. If I were a Trump supporter I'd stay home for similar reasons.