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Native virtualization for macOS
- aroman 10y agoAwesome! Was hoping something like this would come along — has anyone used this and can speak to their experience with it? In particular, what about graphics performance?
- hajderr 10y agoJust installed Debian with 1GB and 2 CPU, default settings. Runs smoothly and install was easy. Haven't dived into advanced use yet though :). Definitely promising!
- rvanmil 10y agoI bought the Veertu 2016 Business edition in april this year, with the intention of replacing VMWare Fusion, but it didn't work out for me. At the time the performance was great and it worked properly for the most part. Though some critical features were missing, such as copy/pasting files from and to the VM. Graphics performance was nowhere near VMWare performance the last time I used it. Reading their blog, "Listening, Growing and Adapting" apparently means taking 40,- from your users and cancelling your product 6 months later.
- izik_e2 10y agoThe product is all but canceled, it is in active development - adding features users asks for.
- rvanmil 10y agoI'll gladly stand corrected... but where do I find the product then?
- izik_e2 10y agowww.veertu.com click on the download button in the top right
- rvanmil 10y agoThat's the free version, not the business edition which I paid for in the app store.
- stephenr 10y agoThe free version has all the paid features now. I asked the authors on Twitter about this, they said they will be releasing related products soon that will cover their revenue stream.
- FireBeyond 10y agoAnd of course they'll grandfather in the people who paid for the now free product less than 6 months ago, right?
- stephenr 10y agoYou'll have to ask them that. I got a pretty quick response on twitter, or there was a rep in this thread earlier
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- gigatexal 10y agoI use this on my mac as well. Runs as good or better than virtual box or vmwares offerings.
- maxforce 10y agoSite's down - here's the download link: https://d2sje6b9huarvp.cloudfront.net/VeertuDesktop.dmg https://d2sje6b9huarvp.cloudfront.net/VeertuDesktop.dmg
- raihansaputra 10y agoHeads up, site is up again right now.
- raihansaputra 10y agoI know gaming is not the main pull of this, but would this be better than parallels and fusion for gaming?
- m_eiman 10y agoI don't think they have accelerated 3D graphics, so probably not. Unless you play 2D games, of course :)
- csydas 10y agoyeah, they don't look to have support for the graphics drivers like parallels does, but for some older games that just need a lightweight Windows VM to run on, it'd be fine. If it gets more active development, I'm sure it can grow, but the idea seems to be using macOS's native hypervisor function instead.
- chrismbarr 10y agoIf you're going to install a 2nd OS on your Mac for gaming purposes (where you want as much performance as possible) you might as well just dual boot it with BootCamp. I've not used this before, but it sounds like it's fast, but you'll still have the overhead of running 2 OS's at the same time.
- izacus 10y agoNah, for that you really want to use BootCamp (native installed Windows). You can then use Parallels or VMWare Fusion to import it as a VM to be used inside of macOS or reboot fully to Windows to get full hardware performance.
- dimillian 10y agoI can recommend Wine (Staging, with the command stream patch) if you don't want to dual boot to run games. It's quite amazing how fast it is now. In some games you can have close to native performance.
- mrmondo 10y agoI've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.
- mrweasel 10y agoVMware Fusion isn't discontinued. I might be wrong, but wasn't the last update in September? And you can still buy it from VMware.
- nailer 10y agohttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_workstation_development_team_fired/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wo... Entire team got fired, but yes still being maintained from a new team of outsourced devs.
- sdegutis 10y agoWhoa. Why in the world could that have happened? Article doesn't really go into any theories.
- danesparza 10y agoI would imagine sales numbers wouldn't justify a full US based development team in 'maintenance mode'. Unfortunately, their annual reports don't breakout revenue by product: http://ir.vmware.com/overview/financial-information/annual-reports/default.aspx http://ir.vmware.com/overview/financial-information/annual-r... The company probably feels they can do just as well (at a lower cost) with outsourced devs.
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- maykr 10y agoI wonder what are its benefits in comparison to an OSS solution https://github.com/mist64/xhyve https://github.com/mist64/xhyve Here's the link to the previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9690846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9690846
- stephenr 10y agoMy understanding is that xhyve isn't a "click and go" solution for most users. Also, Veertu Desktop is now free: https://github.com/veertuinc/vdhh https://github.com/veertuinc/vdhh
- mayoff 10y agoThe README indicates that repo is not for the entire product, just part of it: “Veertu Desktop Hosted Hypervisor(VDHH) is the core hypervisor platform for Veertu Desktop product." “… but to achieve full set of features, it have to be launched by Veertu Desktop app.”
- stephenr 10y agoYeah that part threw me too, but their website does say: "We are making Veertu Desktop Open source. It will be available on https://github.com/veertuinc/vdhh https://github.com/veertuinc/vdhh and will continue to be developed and maintained." Maybe a wording issue in the README, and the desktop app is intended to be open source and built from (the|another) repo too?
- izik_e 10y agoHi, currently the hupervisor was opensourced, we are looking to open the ui and the vagrant plugin as well, the reason we didnt put the ui in that project was that wr beleived ot would be cleaner for the opensource community to have cli hypervisor project. the only part we might have issue to opensource is our windows drivers
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- jhack 10y agoNo support for storing VMs on an external drive? Not even symlinking seems to work (VMs don't get saved to the list).
- tmikaeld 10y agoHave you checked so it's not a user permission issue?
- thoughtsimple 10y agoDoesn't even minimally support macOS guests. This makes Veertu mostly useless to me. Fusion support of macOS guests is pretty minimal but it does work.
- rcarmo 10y agoAnyone know if this interacts OK with Docker beta? that uses xhyve as well, so before I install both I'd like to make sure nothing breaks.
- Graphon1 10y agoWhy would I switch from VirtualBox ?
- oddevan 10y agoIn theory? Veertu uses the built-in Hypervisor.framework from macOS, so it can run without installing a kernel extension. I think they're still working on building out features, but for my basic needs I prefer it on that basis alone.
- riobard 10y agoThis is very nice! HiDPI mode works perfectly for Windows 10 guest (unlike VirtualBox, which has weird graphic issues). Unfortunately macOS Hypervisor.Framework does not support USB devices (https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/usb-support/ https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/usb-support/), which makes Veertu useless to me, as the only reason I use Windows VM is to attach stupid USB tokens for certain banking use cases.
- izik_e 10y agoWe now support usb, try it. Note that we have a bug that make it work only with mass stirage device, but we will release fix soon.
- blacksmith_tb 10y agoAre you intending to offer a shared clipboard? That is quite useful for running a guest OS with a GUI...
- izik_e2 10y agoThere is copy paste tools both for windows and linux
- blacksmith_tb 10y agoAh, I see the option now, which appears to be on by default. The test VM I just set up (a clean install from ubuntu-gnome-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso) doesn't copy or paste from host to guest or vice versa. I would be happy to log an issue in Github, is there any debug info I should provide?
- blacksmith_tb 10y agoI reached out to get their unreleased fix for this, after combing through the knowledgebase[1] and it works! Overall it performs a little better than Virtualbox in general for me, so far. 1: https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/copypaste-linux-vms/ https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/copypaste-linux-vms/
- is_this_tinder 10y agoVMWare BTFO?
- dragonshed 10y agoWell, I'm excited by the potential of having something better than Virtualbox available for free. I tried converting a linux vm I frequently use via vagrant just now, and it seems to work well except for network bridging: You can't bridge over wifi. Kindof a deal-breaker. The relevant page[1] explains it thus: "Due to features of wireless protocol, level 2 bridges don’t work over Wi-Fi, and so you can’t use wireless interface of your Mac to route bridge traffic to external network – only among VMs and host." [1] https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/vagrant-setup-instructions/ https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/vagrant-setup-instructions/
- oneplane 10y agoMakes sense, 802.11 isn't Ethernet.
- george4n 10y agoSo how is VirtualBox able to bridge over Wi-Fi?
- fensipens 10y agoBridging to a wireless interface is done differently from bridging to a wired interface, because most wireless adapters do not support promiscuous mode. All traffic has to use the MAC address of the host's wireless adapter, and therefore VirtualBox needs to replace the source MAC address in the Ethernet header of an outgoing packet to make sure the reply will be sent to the host interface. When VirtualBox sees an incoming packet with a destination IP address that belongs to one of the virtual machine adapters it replaces the destination MAC address in the Ethernet header with the VM adapter's MAC address and passes it on. VirtualBox examines ARP and DHCP packets in order to learn the IP addresses of virtual machines. https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#network_bridged https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#network_bridged
- fensipens 10y agobetter than Virtualbox Just take a look at VBoxManage --help for a crazy list of settings and features that VBox has accumulated during the past ~10 years. It even supports ATA TRIM so your fs-driver can discard blocks and keep the VDI-file deflated at all times. Performance-wise: Compiling stuff within VBox on an i7 quad-core (-j5) is almost as fast as native. X on Linux-VMs feels native too, especially when running in fullscreen.
- falcolas 10y agoHow is support for this going to be funded? Will there be a commercial license which will pop up later? Paid features? It would be great to have some information. I'm always leery of adopting a technology which will be fundamental to my work environment when I don't know how long it will be supported, or if I will have to change my use of it due to licensing issues.
- gaius 10y agoThe version that can run only images from their library is free-as-in-beer. The version that you can create your own VMs with, is paid.
- weitzj 10y agoI just had an idea: What if the hypervisor framework prepares macOS to add a future compatibility layer to run apps on X64 and ARM. "Like" a new version of Rosetta (PowerPC on X86). But now maybe you can run iOS apps on macOS (you probably could do this with BitCode ?)
- IMcD23 10y agoHypervisor.framework only exposes X86 virtualization and Intel VT-d to the user space. It does not allow for the emulation of any other architecture.
- petecox 10y agoThe Verge have speculated [1] that the new Touch Bar found in the latest MBPs is a gateway to running iOS apps natively, with no emulation. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13454052/apple-macbook-pro-touch-bar-apple-watch-features http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13454052/apple-macbook-pr...
- sjwright 10y agoAlmost certainly wrong. Someone's imbibing far too much what-if-juice.
- tedmiston 10y agoVeertu looks interesting and very lightweight. Can someone help me understand how it relates to the Docker for Mac beta app?