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Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That to

Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites support Trump in about equal numbers and about 1/3 of college graduates and postgraduates support Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/the-demographic-groups-fueling-the-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...

coderdude 10y ago
Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.
- RandomOpinion 10y ago
  You'd be surprised. The left is no more unified that the right, in many ways, and members of the mainstream left have been cautioning against this derisive labeling issue for quite some time now. See, for example, Rensin's "The smug style in American liberalism" linked to on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004
  - coderdude 10y ago
    Interesting. I'll check it out.
    - throwanem 10y ago
      It's a good article. If modern progressivism were remotely at home to wisdom of the sort it offers, I wouldn't have cast a ballot for Trump today.
- ant6n 10y ago
  Sorry, I'm not a conservative.
ant6n 10y ago
Sorry, I don't get it. Which part is the name calling? I also am not sure what you mean by 'fellow citizens' or 'the left'. I'm not American. And Hillary Clinton is not a left candidate, she's centre-right.
- flukus 10y ago
  The racist part was the name calling. The post overall sounded derisive. The people your criticizing want job security, not lynchings.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    Are you saying Trump is not a racist? Are you saying that it's not true that many Trump supporters are openly racist? Are you saying this is not racism: https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 ? Calling somebody out as racist is not name-calling if it's true. I feel like the US has become this bizarre place where it's okay to be racist and sexist, but if you call people out for it you're the bad guy.
    - coderdude 10y ago
      Racism and sexism are indeed alive and well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=pastWeek&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity... The first and second hit are from you, humorously enough.
      - flukus 10y ago
        Fivethirtyeight had a funny post earlier today mentions how white males are now voting as a minority block.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Many are, but so are many (assumed) Clinton supporters: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block-white-people-using-campus-entrance-protest-racism/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block... And as I said elsewhere, many of Trumps votes are coming from people that voted for Obama last time. Do you really think they are racist?
chc 10y ago
Yes, stop the name-calling or you'll end up like the guy who coined "Lyin' Ted," "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco."
- ant6n 10y ago
  Also "Pocahontas"

coderdude 10y ago

Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.

RandomOpinion 10y ago
You'd be surprised. The left is no more unified that the right, in many ways, and members of the mainstream left have been cautioning against this derisive labeling issue for quite some time now. See, for example, Rensin's "The smug style in American liberalism" linked to on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004
- coderdude 10y ago
  Interesting. I'll check it out.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    It's a good article. If modern progressivism were remotely at home to wisdom of the sort it offers, I wouldn't have cast a ballot for Trump today.
ant6n 10y ago
Sorry, I'm not a conservative.

ant6n 10y ago

Sorry, I don't get it. Which part is the name calling? I also am not sure what you mean by 'fellow citizens' or 'the left'. I'm not American. And Hillary Clinton is not a left candidate, she's centre-right.

flukus 10y ago
The racist part was the name calling. The post overall sounded derisive. The people your criticizing want job security, not lynchings.
- ant6n 10y ago
  Are you saying Trump is not a racist? Are you saying that it's not true that many Trump supporters are openly racist? Are you saying this is not racism: https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 ? Calling somebody out as racist is not name-calling if it's true. I feel like the US has become this bizarre place where it's okay to be racist and sexist, but if you call people out for it you're the bad guy.
  - coderdude 10y ago
    Racism and sexism are indeed alive and well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=pastWeek&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity... The first and second hit are from you, humorously enough.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Fivethirtyeight had a funny post earlier today mentions how white males are now voting as a minority block.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Many are, but so are many (assumed) Clinton supporters: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block-white-people-using-campus-entrance-protest-racism/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block... And as I said elsewhere, many of Trumps votes are coming from people that voted for Obama last time. Do you really think they are racist?

chc 10y ago

Yes, stop the name-calling or you'll end up like the guy who coined "Lyin' Ted," "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco."

ant6n 10y ago
Also "Pocahontas"