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Canada's Start-up Visa
- personjerry 10y agoIt's giving me a 500 error
- rileyt 10y agoIt looks like the entire Canadian immigration website is currently down...
- diegorbaquero 10y agoGoogle cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QN_3Kpo6DzkJ:www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/business/start-up/+ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QN_3Kpo...
- mtimjones 10y agoLOL -- yes, abandon your country because you're throwing a hissy fit.
- threeseed 10y agoThis is going to be an extraordinary opportunity for countries like Canada, Australia and those within the EU to start aggressively attracting talent. I would be offering to pay for their relocation costs if I were them.
- jgh 10y agoCould not agree more. I'm a Canadian living in the US right now so I've effectively contributed to Canada's brain drain, but this is a unique opportunity for them to make some moves to try to turn it around a bit.
- refurb 10y agoThere's that echo chamber again!
- jgh 10y agoIf you disagree with me how about you talk about it like an adult instead of degrading this conversation into shitposting? Trump is not Mitt Romney. If Romney had have won in 2012, not much would be different in all likelihood. In the case of Trump the guy is so unpredictable that it's difficult to know what - if anything - he's going to do. I don't see why other countries shouldn't take advantage of that unpredictability.
- mabbo 10y agoIt of curiosity, what visa are you on in the US? Any worries about TN visas with Trump talking about ending NAFTA?
- spoonie 10y agoI'm on a TN, as are many of my co-workers. Trump's campaign website did not say anything about Canadian NAFTA work permit holders. We aren't too worried, but we also need know that a Canadian subsidiary + J-1 isn't hard to get if we really have to go that way.
- jgh 10y agoI'm not on TN but I have used it in the past. If Trump ends NAFTA I would imagine the TN visa would go with it since it's part of NAFTA. I'm sure it would disrupt a lot of lives.
- mvrekic 10y agoI followed until the "I would be offering to pay for their relocation costs if I were them." - That would/could never happen. Countries can speed up immigration process, companies can pay relocation costs. Not the other way around.
- jobu 10y agoRelocation costs in Canada are tax deductible (same as the US and many others), so essentially the country pays for it. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs/ncm-tx/rtrn/cmpltng/ddctns/lns206-236/219/menu-eng.html http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs/ncm-tx/rtrn/cmpltng/...
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- mc32 10y agoEurope is having a lot of issues integrating their own intra-continental migration (Poles, Hungary, Romania, etc.), let alone American immigration. This is a privileged position that poor immigrants don't have. It's a bit ironic.
- thisrod 10y agoLike this? http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/about-council/committees-meetings/meeting-archive/MeetingAgendaItemAttachments/727/13197/fmc1-may16-agenda-7.2.pdf http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/about-council/committees-mee...
- w_t_payne 10y agoYou might not get relocation costs, but you should seriously consider the UK.
- phillc73 10y agoFor sure there should be some opportunities there, as all the European talent leave off the back of Brexit.
- wildpeaks 10y agoOr for those countries to stop leaking talent to the US, at least.
- zilchers 10y agoWow, America crashed Canada's immigration website.
- AvenueIngres 10y agoA couple folks from an0 have been hammering the site for two hours for "the lulz" (verbatim).
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- slajax 10y agoMy co-founder in my last startup was in the first round of startup visas. It worked out and is a great program but be careful not to exit too quickly without reading the fine print. They weren't prepared for us exiting to a big public US company so quickly. Aside from that. Great program! Ping me if you want to do it, I'm looking for a new cofounder for next one!
- ifemide06 10y agoThis is of interest @slajax. Ping me when you can for more info.
- deepnotderp 10y agoHey there, I've got some experience in Deep Learning. I'd be interested in it. You can email me at admin at ingemini.com
- projectramo 10y agoslajax, would love to learn more. Wish HN had a private messaging service. You could email this handle at Marissa Mayer's company. (Trying to avoid spammy screen scrapers).
- Waterluvian 10y agoCanada is the U.S. put through a low pass filter. Don't expect things to be drastically different here. Just less extreme.
- ncallaway 10y agoI could handle less extreme.
- raverbashing 10y agoExcept for the weather, of course
- a3camero 10y agoThat depends on where you live. The weather in Toronto is similar to Chicago and New York.
- yanilkr 10y agoTrump marched forward despite so much negativity against him. He worked really hard to overcome his limitations and at the end won people over. Nothing could stop him. Why are you guys throwing in the towel at the slightest discomfort?.
- mvrekic 10y agoBecause good ol' USA literally just elected a fascist. Cliches of comparing Trump to Hitler are cliches for a reason.
- mc32 10y agoAre clichés you don't agree with also clichés for a reason (the internets also claim Hillary as another fascist, not just Trump)? So, that opinion sounds a bit dangerous to me. You'll have to offer a better reason for thinking he's a fascist than relying on clichés.
- ant6n 10y agoI'm getting slightly tired of the gaslighting on HN. Trump is not a fascist because of a difference of opinion. He's a fascist because he's a fascist. Sexual assault is also not a difference of opinion, it's a crime.
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- mc32 10y agoSo far as I know there isn't any outstanding warrant for him and he's not sequestered in an embassy --so I'm a bit surprised by this since I didn't see the same reaction. You see when someone in the community is accused it's easy to defend them, and it's also easy to accuse someone when we dislike them.
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- kurtpre 10y agoThere might be more than Canada as option. https://teleport.org https://teleport.org has for several cities worldwide infos about Startup Visas as well.
- rileyt 10y agoThis is a useful tool for people considering a move to Canada :) https://www.canadiantechjobsforamericans.com/ https://www.canadiantechjobsforamericans.com/
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- CalChris 10y agoI have/had a Canadian work permit from decades ago when I worked in Vancouver. Dunno what it means now, if anything. I'll have to dig that out. Options.
- danm07 10y agoOne thing about Canada is that its service industry moves very slowly. The ^ site being down for the last 4+ hours is a good example.
- mabbo 10y agoSounds like a great opportunity for innovation.
- pjonesdotca 10y agoThe CIC site crashes under load every time a Republican wins the White House.
- nish1500 10y agoI got in touch with an incubator and a prominent immigration law firm last week. The incubator told me they are no longer associated with the Startup Visa program, and the law firm told me that most VC and incubators have withdrawn. Very few visas have been issued, but I don't know if that is owing to high rejections, or just low applications.
- a3camero 10y agoIn the first three years of the program only 100 visas were issued: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/start-up-program-disappointment-laywer-says-1.3443956 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/start-up-program-disap...
- veeragoni 10y agoThe need for more math and science students is even more important as Mars emigration doesn't seem crazy now.
- fiatjaf 10y agoThis thread made the website crash for 8 hours. Brazilian news noticed that the website was down and claimed it was due to massive immigration plans from normal US citizens.
- robert_foss 10y agoOh yes, I remember this visa from when I was immigrating to Canada. If you have money, create a company and receive a Visa. Never has it been clearer how people who are well off are treated differently.
- gotrecruit 10y agookay i don't mean to be rude, but i'm actually a startup founder looking to score this exact visa for myself soon. i was under the impression you couldn't just "create a company and receive a visa", but rather you need the endorsement of some kind of incubator or accredited investor. is that not true?
- mtw 10y agoThere are different types of visa. You can come to Canada with $1m and get a visa, with the promise that you'll invest $1m in business. This was used by rich people from HongKong. The window of opportunity has closed but still possible in provinces like Québec. When people say "create a company and receive a visa", they refer to this program. Another kind of visa is the start-up visa. You create a startup and get investment through selected incubators and VCs. You can then get a visa. What's also interesting and easy are work visas. You apply for a job requiring good talent. It's then straightforward to get a work visa. Usually the startup takes care of the paperwork. When you come and stay for a few months, you then decide if you want to apply for permanent residentship.
- robert_foss 10y ago> What's also interesting and easy are work visas. You apply for a job requiring good talent. It's then straightforward to get a work visa. Usually the startup takes care of the paperwork. When you come and stay for a few months, you then decide if you want to apply for permanent residentship. This is very far from my experience. Even large companies (AMD in my case) dread the 8month process of getting a work permit in Canada. Calling it straight forward is not entirely accurate: - Apply for jobs with the handicap of a 8 month hiring wait and the associated lawyer costs (no you can't realistically do this yourself). - Have your employer to be initiate work permit application process (you can't initiate this process), which is actually two separate (and serial) applications. - Traverse the layer cake of incompetence and bureaucracy that is the CIC (Citizenship and Immigration). - Maybe come out with a work permit on the other side. - Your new work permit is bound to your current employer. - Stick around and renew your work permit for 3 years. - Apply for residency. - Apply for citizenship.
- lujim 10y agoThe stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Since it's 9:37am the morning after I'm guessing many people are at anger moving into bargaining right now. "I'm mad and if I move to Canada it will show everyone and solve my problems". We should be moving into acceptance by the weekend. No need to DDOS this poor site.
- soundwave106 10y agoThe problem I see in this case is a lot of genuine uncertainty. Particularly if you are IT in a global reaching business, of whom would be affected by talk on clamping down on free trade and immigration. Trump could end up being an old style Republican in disguise after all, for all we know, and the campaign bluster is just bluster. That's not bad for the career path. Trump could also be a genuine raging fascist. That's not really good for the career path at all. Or Trump could end up being in that "most likely" middle, aka a Berlusconi type figure. For the career path there, that's a solid "meh" (although I did hear there was a bit of a brain drain in the Berlusconi days). Remember that Hillary Clinton was "most likely" to win. You can't take "most likely" for granted these days. So one needs to evaluate all options (without being so ridiculously alarmist and realize that the worst case doesn't always happen). In the worst case scenario, I can't imagine global-reaching companies being gun-ho about maintaining a strong presence here. And I "go where the jobs go", to be honest. Some of the Canada querying I'm sure is OMG PANIC but maybe some of it is also hedging your bets...
- lujim 10y agoWe all have much less control over our career paths than we realize. Do your best work everyday, try to be pleasant to the people you manage/work with/work for. Throw a few percent of every check into a decent index fund, put down the smart phone when your kids want your attention, and if your career ends as a Walmart door greeter or replaceable corporate cog, all the "coulda's" in the world won't change anything.
- apercu 10y agoYes, if you're sick of divisive in your face politics, and understand that that a social contract (higher taxes and broad access to healthcare) are important to society, please come to Canada. I am a US expat, and have been in Canada for about 12 years. While no place is perfect I feel like it was a good move. If you do decide to come, and end up in Southern Ontario, drop me a note! :)
- mahyarm 10y agoIncome taxes are about even with California in Ontario & BC, except you're not paying $500/employee/month for a healthcare plan, so in the end you might call it cheaper as far as tax load goes. The costs of everything although is higher. You also do not have a mortgage interest deduction and sales tax is higher and unescapable. You cant do the 'order something from another state and not pay use taxes' thing that you can in the USA. The IRA / Roth IRA equivalents (RRSP / TFSA) can be arguably called better. You don't have early withdrawal penalties as far as I can recall. Property tax tends to be lower in BC, and so are mortgage rates. The cost to purchase a house in Toronto/Vancouver is significantly higher than most of the USA although and has horrible affordability ratios. Pay is about half compared to the USA.
- terryjsmith 10y agoHaving helped a company that went through our accelerator to get a start-up visa for the three founders, the deal isn't great, but it is a more direct path to citizenship. You do need to go through not just an accredited investor, but a "chosen" one. One of the main issues is that the list of investors from which you can take money is pretty small (mostly those who helped design the program) and there is no gatekeeper, so they are overwhelmed with applications from companies of all sorts and as a result largely don't respond at all . As with all things investment, you need to know someone who knows someone to help you secure and complete the application. Even then the process is long. The idea itself is great, but the execution on the program since its inception has been weak. It needs more resources and better support for the firms and investors who can assist. All of that aside, I have seen the program work, but you can expect to put in the same amount of work as raising a small round and then some to make it happen.
- TonyReinhart 10y agoMore info here if you're considering a move to (or back to) Canada to work in tech: http://gonorthcanada.ca/ http://gonorthcanada.ca/ Also, the Canadian government recently announced it will bring in a fast-track visa/work permit system for highly skilled foreign workers (two-week turnaround for qualified candidates). http://betakit.com/government-unveils-global-skills-strategy-with-fast-track-visa-process/ http://betakit.com/government-unveils-global-skills-strategy...
- omouse 10y agoGood luck getting cash from the VCs here though, it's a struggle.
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