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Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want

Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want it supported in another open source product (VS Code) backed by another corporate entity (Microsoft)?

xiaoma 10y ago
>"Er..." VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
- my_ghola 10y ago
  IntelliJ Community and Android Studio are both free and gratis software.
  - xiaoma 10y ago
    and painfully slow
    - brianwawok 10y ago
      Your settings must be wrong
- neeleshs 10y ago
  Care to elaborate how VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings?
  - deleted 10y ago
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- leonya2 10y ago
  > VS Code is miles ahead How so? It's very busy adding features JB IDEs had 10 years ago (CSS autocompletion in HTML, wow), it's not aiming to be a lightweight IDE at all, and it's written in JS. It will collapse under its own weight in a couple of years. Sure, today it might be at a stage where they have sort of enough functionality to appear competent while being sort of snappy, but at this rate it's only gonna get worse. It's a new player on a market that doesn't see new players very often, it's interesting to watch, but miles ahead?
- alimbada 10y ago
  So charging for an IDE which requires hundreds of thousands of man hours of development and maintenance means they're evil and you won't use their products, open source or otherwise? Got it.
  - xiaoma 10y ago
    No. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not at this point, but "Er" is a horrible way to open a comment. Assigning a strawman position to someone you disagree with is equally horrible. I've gladly purchased Jetbrains products in the past (and other dev tools as well). Noticing that a company is intent on capturing all consumer surplus they possibly can and disliking them for it is not the same as deciding they're "evil" for charging anything to begin with. Before moving to their subscription / hostageware "pay up or be forcibly downgraded model", I happily broke out the credit card and paid for Jetbrains offerings. I don't begrudge them that they sell software. They just got too greedy and consumer backlash like this is the inevitable result.
    - claudiug 10y ago
      I think is just upset for the election in usa...

xiaoma 10y ago

>"Er..." VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.

my_ghola 10y ago
IntelliJ Community and Android Studio are both free and gratis software.
- xiaoma 10y ago
  and painfully slow
  - brianwawok 10y ago
    Your settings must be wrong
neeleshs 10y ago
Care to elaborate how VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings?
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
leonya2 10y ago
> VS Code is miles ahead How so? It's very busy adding features JB IDEs had 10 years ago (CSS autocompletion in HTML, wow), it's not aiming to be a lightweight IDE at all, and it's written in JS. It will collapse under its own weight in a couple of years. Sure, today it might be at a stage where they have sort of enough functionality to appear competent while being sort of snappy, but at this rate it's only gonna get worse. It's a new player on a market that doesn't see new players very often, it's interesting to watch, but miles ahead?
alimbada 10y ago
So charging for an IDE which requires hundreds of thousands of man hours of development and maintenance means they're evil and you won't use their products, open source or otherwise? Got it.
- xiaoma 10y ago
  No. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not at this point, but "Er" is a horrible way to open a comment. Assigning a strawman position to someone you disagree with is equally horrible. I've gladly purchased Jetbrains products in the past (and other dev tools as well). Noticing that a company is intent on capturing all consumer surplus they possibly can and disliking them for it is not the same as deciding they're "evil" for charging anything to begin with. Before moving to their subscription / hostageware "pay up or be forcibly downgraded model", I happily broke out the credit card and paid for Jetbrains offerings. I don't begrudge them that they sell software. They just got too greedy and consumer backlash like this is the inevitable result.
  - claudiug 10y ago
    I think is just upset for the election in usa...