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Are there any good examples of this strategy? I can't think of anyone successfully moving a leading open source product back to closed source...I think normall

Are there any good examples of this strategy? I can't think of anyone successfully moving a leading open source product back to closed source...I think normally it's the fork of the open source version that lives on...

randomguy23 10y ago
historically it's what MS has done: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. No reason to think that they are doing something different this time. Trust, once broken, takes quite a while to build back.
parennoob 10y ago
Solaris? The open source nature of it seemed to disappear overnight after Oracle bought Sun, but looks like Oracle's not doing too badly with it. I know there's the Open Source illumos (IIRC) but haven't heard of anyone using it in production.
- dozzie 10y ago
  This guy uses a derivative of Illumos in production: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/ https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/
  - siebenmann 10y ago
    If people are interested, the specifics of our current OmniOS environment are here: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSFileserverSetupII https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSFileserv... We have been broadly happy with it and it has been quite stable after some initial teething problems.
    - dozzie 10y ago
      Oh. And I was wondering what nick do you have here :)
- cthalupa 10y ago
  >I know there's the Open Source illumos (IIRC) but haven't heard of anyone using it in production. Joyent? OmniTI? https://www.joyent.com/smartos https://www.joyent.com/smartos https://omnios.omniti.com/ https://omnios.omniti.com/ SmartOS and OmniOS are both used in modern day production workloads.
AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
Off the top of my head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB#Licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB#Licensing In case of Microsoft, you don't even have to be very imaginative: how much of the stack currently in use by .Net developers on Windows is completely open? How important and hard to replace are the parts that aren't? And how much of a difference would it make in the end to have had Core open source in the past, when the new and closed version is the only one that works with those billions of Windows10 tablets and those popular Azure services that everyone needs for their startup?
- Kipters 10y ago
  You can run the open source .NET Core on Azure, also the new programming model for Windows (UWP) uses .NET Core, not the desktop .NET

randomguy23 10y ago

historically it's what MS has done: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. No reason to think that they are doing something different this time. Trust, once broken, takes quite a while to build back.

parennoob 10y ago

Solaris? The open source nature of it seemed to disappear overnight after Oracle bought Sun, but looks like Oracle's not doing too badly with it. I know there's the Open Source illumos (IIRC) but haven't heard of anyone using it in production.

dozzie 10y ago
This guy uses a derivative of Illumos in production: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/ https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/
- siebenmann 10y ago
  If people are interested, the specifics of our current OmniOS environment are here: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSFileserverSetupII https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSFileserv... We have been broadly happy with it and it has been quite stable after some initial teething problems.
  - dozzie 10y ago
    Oh. And I was wondering what nick do you have here :)
cthalupa 10y ago
>I know there's the Open Source illumos (IIRC) but haven't heard of anyone using it in production. Joyent? OmniTI? https://www.joyent.com/smartos https://www.joyent.com/smartos https://omnios.omniti.com/ https://omnios.omniti.com/ SmartOS and OmniOS are both used in modern day production workloads.

AnonymousPlanet 10y ago

Off the top of my head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB#Licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB#Licensing In case of Microsoft, you don't even have to be very imaginative: how much of the stack currently in use by .Net developers on Windows is completely open? How important and hard to replace are the parts that aren't? And how much of a difference would it make in the end to have had Core open source in the past, when the new and closed version is the only one that works with those billions of Windows10 tablets and those popular Azure services that everyone needs for their startup?

Kipters 10y ago
You can run the open source .NET Core on Azure, also the new programming model for Windows (UWP) uses .NET Core, not the desktop .NET