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> Look at their github page, where they even say they want more to amass more data and to "annoy the hell out of users" to make them update - shove updates down

> Look at their github page, where they even say they want more to amass more data and to "annoy the hell out of users" to make them update - shove updates down their throat a la Microsoft style. I imagine this is by design. What do I do if there is a vulnerability that a patch fixed but the person I'm taking to refuses to update? I am not saying I like the idea of bricking an app if there's no update for three months but if you agree that the fight is against dragnet not targeted surveillance then this is a reasonable compromise.

antocv 10y ago
Nope it isnt, its up to me as user to decide when to update, what Signal/other-app can do in such case is provide a simple in-app messaging system "Hey there was a vulernaribility, read more about it here in this message". Then user can decide. And not "hey user, take this update which contains backdoors since the main developers got gagged/blackmailed, trust us this time for real".
- tptacek 10y ago
  Again, the idea that Signal's developers were "gagged" or "blackmailed" is a lie, and you should be embarrassed to repeat it.
  - gkejxncnd 10y ago
    Why is it necessarily a lie when there's a large amount of precedent saying that it's not? If it happened to Lavabit, why can't it happen to OWS? Your tone is completely inappropriate and I suspect that you have a stake in this game.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20accusations%20shillage&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20accusations%20sh...
      - gkejxncnd 10y ago
        Well you seem to be making a lot of personal attacks and unreasonable claims regarding this subject. Would you mind explaining them?
  - styyle14 10y ago
    In a security sense, this is actually a very real concern with which even a warrant canary cannot help. Could you provide hard evidence that Signal's developers have NOT been "gagged" or "blackmailed"? I think such a proof would be infeasible at best.
    - cndjcncnfj 10y ago
      Careful, he's going to flagkill your comment for raising the same concerns I did
    - cjdjdjcjdj 10y ago
      Careful, he's going to flagkill your comment for raising the same concerns I did.

antocv 10y ago

Nope it isnt, its up to me as user to decide when to update, what Signal/other-app can do in such case is provide a simple in-app messaging system "Hey there was a vulernaribility, read more about it here in this message". Then user can decide. And not "hey user, take this update which contains backdoors since the main developers got gagged/blackmailed, trust us this time for real".

tptacek 10y ago
Again, the idea that Signal's developers were "gagged" or "blackmailed" is a lie, and you should be embarrassed to repeat it.
- gkejxncnd 10y ago
  Why is it necessarily a lie when there's a large amount of precedent saying that it's not? If it happened to Lavabit, why can't it happen to OWS? Your tone is completely inappropriate and I suspect that you have a stake in this game.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20accusations%20shillage&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20accusations%20sh...
    - gkejxncnd 10y ago
      Well you seem to be making a lot of personal attacks and unreasonable claims regarding this subject. Would you mind explaining them?
- styyle14 10y ago
  In a security sense, this is actually a very real concern with which even a warrant canary cannot help. Could you provide hard evidence that Signal's developers have NOT been "gagged" or "blackmailed"? I think such a proof would be infeasible at best.
  - cndjcncnfj 10y ago
    Careful, he's going to flagkill your comment for raising the same concerns I did
  - cjdjdjcjdj 10y ago
    Careful, he's going to flagkill your comment for raising the same concerns I did.