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Hint: do Big Data & ML and let BMW, Audi and M-B fight each other to get you. 140k/year base. Externally BMW will tell you that not even managers have 80k but t

by bitL 10y ago

Hint: do Big Data & ML and let BMW, Audi and M-B fight each other to get you. 140k/year base. Externally BMW will tell you that not even managers have 80k but that's just public BS. They are pretty much in a war for talent.

erikb 10y ago
This is an assumption from what would be logical or real life hiring experience? I would agree with the logical foundation, but none of the big data & ml people I know work at a car company. As I said I only remember Zalando being active on the hiring front, and they don't do cars (yet).
- bitL 10y ago
  Magic word is "connected services" if you want to earn big bucks in automotive working on ML/Big Data. It's a real life experience, basically in the past year all big German car manufacturers are hiring like crazy in these fields.
Matthias247 10y ago
Maybe in the US. In germany that's a senior manager salary. Independent of how good you are as a SW developer (or data scientist, ...) you will always get a normal engineer ("Sachbearbeiter") salary, which is pretty much regulated through IG Metall. And that maxes out at about 100k€ (which you will have more chances to get when you are decades of years in the company than when you are new but have a great knowledge). Source: Have worked long enough for one of those companies. And always wished salaries would have been more skill/talent based.
- Matthias247 10y ago
  C'mon, I would appreciate comments or discussions, ideally about real life (personal) experiences instead of downvotes. What I tried to give here was also only my personal experience (and what I know from lots of friends also working in the industry).
- bitL 10y ago
  I think the trick was to be hired outside unionized jobs - those had some cut off (I don't remember exactly, like 130k-140k/year), basically like the whole higher management is.

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Hint: do Big Data & ML and let BMW, Audi and M-B fight each other to get you. 140k/year base. Externally BMW will tell you that not even managers have 80k but t

by bitL 10y ago

erikb 10y ago
This is an assumption from what would be logical or real life hiring experience? I would agree with the logical foundation, but none of the big data & ml people I know work at a car company. As I said I only remember Zalando being active on the hiring front, and they don't do cars (yet).
- bitL 10y ago
  Magic word is "connected services" if you want to earn big bucks in automotive working on ML/Big Data. It's a real life experience, basically in the past year all big German car manufacturers are hiring like crazy in these fields.
Matthias247 10y ago
Maybe in the US. In germany that's a senior manager salary. Independent of how good you are as a SW developer (or data scientist, ...) you will always get a normal engineer ("Sachbearbeiter") salary, which is pretty much regulated through IG Metall. And that maxes out at about 100k€ (which you will have more chances to get when you are decades of years in the company than when you are new but have a great knowledge). Source: Have worked long enough for one of those companies. And always wished salaries would have been more skill/talent based.
- Matthias247 10y ago
  C'mon, I would appreciate comments or discussions, ideally about real life (personal) experiences instead of downvotes. What I tried to give here was also only my personal experience (and what I know from lots of friends also working in the industry).
- bitL 10y ago
  I think the trick was to be hired outside unionized jobs - those had some cut off (I don't remember exactly, like 130k-140k/year), basically like the whole higher management is.