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IMO the major thing holding back IPv6 on the web is amazon. A huge proportion of services are hosted on AWS, and the lack of IPv6 addressing of instances cannot
by daurnimator 10y ago
IMO the major thing holding back IPv6 on the web is amazon. A huge proportion of services are hosted on AWS, and the lack of IPv6 addressing of instances cannot be forgiven.
- ryao 10y agoAmazon and github are the two major offenders.
- executesorder66 10y agohttps://ipv6wallofshame.com/ https://ipv6wallofshame.com/ Baidu, Twitter, Instagram and Reddit are also major players who could make a huge difference.
- tomschlick 10y agoThe worst part about reddit in that case is that they use cloudflare which could be a 1 click update to ipv6. Previously they have stated that internal systems (spam, court orders, reporting) are holding them back from the change.
- Arnt 10y agoStill plausible, e.g. if their spam filters, court order handling and reporting expect to see IPv4 client addresses in their input and/or databases.
- daurnimator 10y agoCloudflare have a workaround for that too! https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/202494830-Pseudo-IPv4-Supporting-IPv6-addresses-in-legacy-IPv4-applications https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/202494830-P...
- jnbiche 10y agoYou know, Cloudflare gets a lot of shit around here for being a centralizing entity in a decentralized Internet (sometimes justifiably), but they've done a hell of a lot to push forward needed changes in the Internet infrastructure. Often at little benefit to themselves.
- jgrahamc 10y agoHere's our motivation: https://blog.cloudflare.com/evenly-distributed-future/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/evenly-distributed-future/
- Gruselbauer 10y agoThat is a concise, interesting read topped off by some Gibson quotes. Thanks.
- lokedhs 10y agoThat site correctly lists apple.com as not supporting IPv6. The funny thing is that www.apple.com does support it.
- vetinari 10y agoSame with microsoft.com.
- ohitsdom 10y agoHow is this the case?
- fps 10y agoBoth Microsoft and Apple's www sites use Akamai's CDN, via a cname to a CNAME to something in akamaiedge.net, which support ipv6. The apex record of a domain (that is, the root record, microsoft.com or apple.com) cannot be a CNAME, it can only have an A, NS, MX or TXT record. A records make dynamic infrastructure hard, because they require API coordination between your DNS provider and your CDN. So Microsoft and apple host their own apex domain records via A records to static IPs in their own IP blocks, and have these servers issue a permanent http redirect to www.
- ttflee 10y agoWith poor adoption rate of IPv6 persists in China, half of those listed (taobao, tmall, baidu, hao123, qq, youku, sina, weibo, etc.) just won't change in near future.
- ryao 10y agoI am visiting China. It seems impossible to get an IPv6 address from either China Telecom (the ASN lacks IPv6 peering) or a datacentdr within China. Sending traffic to a VM in South Korea has similarly had the issue where I cannot find any VMs with IPv6 support, although most have terrible latencies.
- CountSessine 10y agoI don't understand; APNIC ran out of ipv4 addresses ages ago. How do they...internet?
- witty_username 10y agoI think IPv4 addresses can be bought for cheaper than the cost to transition to IPv6.
- avar 10y agoI work for one of the companies on that wall of shame. I wonder to what extent it has the reverse of the intended effect. "Oh so not even Amazon, Twitter or GitHub gives a crap about IPv6? Why should we?".
- lmm 10y agoIt seems to have worked for python 3.
- dom0 10y agoI kinda doubt that the site had a real influence on that.
- CountSessine 10y agoOh so not even Amazon, Twitter or GitHub gives a crap about IPv6? Why should we? If this is really what they're thinking, then they have no pride in their work and will never be the best at what they do. I suspect most of the engineers working for Amazon, Twitter, and GitHub are well aware that they're lagging in ipv6, and are very intent on catching up.
- ryao 10y agoThose are just one site each though. GitHub and Amazon are many. Also, I am not sure if googleadservices.com should be on that list. Leaving advertising on IPv4 to die might be for the best. ;)
- lloeki 10y agoapple.com isn't but redirects to www.apple.com which is IPv6 enabled (akamai)
- korethr 10y agoAt a cursory glance, it seems that Google or Google-owned sites make up a majority of the IPv6-enabled sites. Seems to me the numbers would be a lot lower without Google's work.
- vacri 10y agoThe list also has a ton less green when you consider that most of the sites are just the google search page with different TLDs.
- Arnt 10y agohttps://ripe73.ripe.net/archives/video/1539/ https://ripe73.ripe.net/archives/video/1539/ tells a different story.
- liveoneggs 10y agoas fastly goes, so goes github
- AndrewDucker 10y agoAmazon seem to be slowly getting there: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/10/ipv6-support-for-cloudfront-waf-and-s3-transfer-acceleration/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/10/ipv6-supp...
- kalleboo 10y agoWow, how did I miss this, CloudFront getting IPv6 support is huge!
- StavrosK 10y ago"Getting?" I set up some CloudFront instances (or whatever they call them) a month ago and it had an IPv6 checkbox (which was unchecked by default, for some reason), but it seems to have been working fine ever since.
- kalleboo 10y agoYeah the announcement linked is from a month ago
- danudey 10y agoThey also support HTTP/2 now, which is pretty sweet.
- jontro 10y agoELBs support ipv6 as well
- kalleboo 10y agoOnly EC2-Classic ELBs do, which is only available to users who signed up for AWS before Dec 2013 (and doesn't support all the new VPC goodness)
- fulafel 10y agoIPv6 and a return to end-to-end addressing isn't really aligned with the AWS style of proprietary platform lock-in.
- icedchai 10y agoThis makes no sense. AWS can give you IPv4 elastic IPs, which provide end-to-end addressing on IPv4. IPv6 will be no different in this regard. "End-to-end addressing" is typically an end user issue, where end users use NAT. In the early days of the internet, nobody used NAT.
- fulafel 10y agoAWS encourages you to use VPCs for service-internal addressing. Yes, you can rent "elastic IPs", but in the AWS mindset they are special and to be used only for NATing Internet endpoints to your services. It's based on end-to-end addressing being special and a scarce resource. This is compatible with the traditional corporate intranet style of thinking, but it's also in the opposite of internet end-to-end addressing and they are in no hurry to change it.
- dastbe 10y agoipv6 has a provision for locally routable addresses, because yes publicly routable addresses should be special. They should just also be free.
- fulafel 10y agoLink-local addresses are not routable and are not meant for application use, they're just for low level things like neighbour discovery and router advertisements (analogous to IPv4 ARP/DHCP). There's also ULA that can be used for non-internet connected networks and some other special scenarios, but it would be a bad idea (and against recommended practice) to use them to port your RFC1918 addressing to IPv6.
- danyork 10y agoThe good news is that Amazon has been slowly rolling out IPv6 support across various AWS services (ex. S3, CloudFront). Once they support IPv6 on EC2, though, that will be the big breakthrough!
- yuvadam 10y agoNot to mention Route 53, which can serve AAAA records, but still has no IPv6 nameservers.
- virtuallynathan 10y agoIt should now: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/10/amazon-route-53-now-supports-dns-queries-over-ipv6-networks/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/10/amazon-ro... ns-1887.awsdns-43.co.uk. 60 IN AAAA 2600:9000:5307:5f00::1
- cm2187 10y agoI'd say ISPs to start with. In the UK, BT still hasn't rolled out IPv6. Neither has vodafone. Also I have servers in colocation with two datacenters, and for both I had to ask to the support to get an IPv6 range. We are very far from IPv6 becoming a standard feature.
- lisivka 10y agoIt's time to switch HN to be IPv6 only forum, so 100% of HN'ers will be on IPv6 almost instantly. ;-)
- Latty 10y ago> I'd say ISPs to start with. In the UK, BT still hasn't rolled out IPv6. BT have at least partially rolled out support, as I have a v6 allocation on a BT broadband service.
- cm2187 10y agoI have read I can get it by upgrading to the very latest version of BT Home Hub (I am using 5). I ordered it yesterday. But my current Home Hub 5 is compatible, and I still don't have IPv6.
- jburgess777 10y agoIt looks like you would have got support on your existing device soon. A recent BT presentation says: "[IPv6 support] Home Hubs 4 and 5 support from early 2017" http://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/UKIPv6Council-2016-BT-Update-Mcrae.pdf http://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/UKIPv6Coun...
- cm2187 10y agoActually I just received my new router and I now have IPv6!
- the8472 10y agoThat varies strongly by country[0]. My home ISP for example does DS-Lite and last week their AFTR was overloaded. So ipv4 was almost unusable while v6 worked fine. So temporarily I was already living in a post-v4 world. [0] https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...